H23 Survey

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Sep 14, 2012
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S2 7.0 Christmas MI Lake Superior
After several months of looking for the boat that best suits our needs, we have narrowed the list to a Hunter 23. I have not sailed or owned a boat for 30 years so its been awhile. How many of you would spend the money on a survey for a boat in this size range. Regardless, of what I buy I know I will be spending money on the boat, so should I save the $300 to $400 for a survey? I have been able to find many good resources on the internet as far as inspections.
Thanks for your thoughts
 
Dec 8, 2011
172
Hunter 23.5 New Orleans
To survey or not to survey - my thoroughly unsatisfactory answer is "It depends".

Assuming you have found the particular boat you want, how does she look? Is the boat sparkling clean, the varnish good, the bottom clean, and obviously well loved? Do the sails look good, does the motor start when cold with a pull or two, is the bilge dry and clean, does the boat when not in use live on a trailer or in the water, does the bottom have blisters in the fiberglas? Do the winches turn easily, do the halyards and running rigging move freely, are the lifeline stanchions secure, are there broken wire strands in the standing rigging, does the back side of the wiring panel look like a mess, when you walk on deck are there soft spots on the deck fiberglas, are there signs of leaking around the windows, are the chain plates securing the shrouds to the hull in good shape, is there any rot on interior wooden bulkheads, is the boat a fresh or salt water boat? Does the interior smell of mildew, are bunk cushions clean top and bottom, are the cushions comfy, does the sink pump work, would the head gag a maggot, are the hard to access areas like under the cockpit sole and behind and under the head and under bunk lockers clean and dry? Is the rudder in good shape, does it move freely, do the rudder pintles and gudgeons look good? Does the mast look good, are there signs of stress or cracking where the spreaders connect to the mast? Has the prior owner installed accessories with care or are things jury rigged?

I do not know the H23. If she has a centerboard, does it work freely but with no side to side play or wobble. If she is a keel boat, how is the keel secured to the hull...are the keel bolts sound?

When you sit below, can you lean back and read a book for and hour or two in comfort? Will you be proud to own her? Does she stir your imagination?

Assuming you have happy answers to the forgoing inspection points, and if you have some confidence in your inspection ability, my guess for a relatively small boat with simple systems is that you don't need a surveyor. If you don't have confidence in your inspection ability, then for the peace of mind in knowing beforehand exactly what problems you're buying into, get the survey.

After you make your purchase, you may wish to get Don Casey's very good book on boat maintenance, This Old Boat.

Good luck

Hugh
 
Sep 25, 2008
7,609
Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
Your choice (to survey or not) is probably moot. All insurance underwriters would require one as a prerequisite.
 

Kermit

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Jul 31, 2010
5,721
AquaCat 12.5 17342 Wateree Lake, SC
We saved more than the cost of the survey based on the results of the survey. Nothing that would have kept us from sailing it, but great for price negotiation. I'm a big fan of surveys.
 

suds

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Nov 16, 2010
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My insurance company only required a survey if the value was over $16,000. However if you are going to finance it the lender will most likely require a survey.

My personal recommendation is get a survey; unless you have money to throw away.
 

ENeedz

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Apr 1, 2009
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Oday 28 Salem, MA
My first boat was an H23. Bought it off Craig's List with the help of a friend who has many years of experience. He and I spent 2-3 hours checking it over with a hammer to look for soft spots and generally checking that it was mechanically in good shape. The seller started the outboard and shifted it in a barrel of water. The great thing about this boat is there are very few systems to check out. There were no below water line thru hulls. Do check out the rudder/tiller assembly, standing rigging, running rigging and general sail conditions. A test sail will also reveal a lot. Good luck. It's a great boat.
 
Apr 27, 2010
1,279
Hunter 23 Lake Wallenpaupack
I would have had to pay over $400 for a survey, due to the distance the closest person I found had to travel. I figured that it was more than 10% of the whole cost, so I just inspected it as thoroughly as possible; as one person noted, it is a rather simple boat.

I did miss some wetness in the bulkheads that separate the main cabin from the lazarette area, and also one of the chain plate bulkheads failed after about 2 seasons of use. I don't know if that would have been detected by a surveyor. The electrical wiring needed a lot of work, but I knew that going in - it was quite obvious. I have not found any "showstopper" problems I could not fix, though perhaps I may have knocked the price down with hard data from a survey. Mine has a fixed keel, so no centerboard issues.
 
Jan 22, 2008
272
Hunter 23 Tampa Bay
I would survey if I have to buy again. I have an 87 23'. I would look at the following areas. chainplate mounting structure, spongy floor area under/infront of the step below, rotten deck core under mast, any rot in the storage areas, rot or water damage under achor locker, water under the cockpit, how old os the sealing on the deck fittings. Just a few things I have heard and seen.
 
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