The main and standard jib for our H23 are worn out, and we are looking into replacement options. I have checked out the chandlery here, and have a few questions regarding genoa options... - would like input from those of you using genoas on the H23, what size, where did you get them, like/dislikes, features (windows, leach cords..) - does your genny fly above the safety lines or at deck level? If at deck level, did you modify the safety lines to accomodate it? We borrowed the 150 genoa from our MFG 19 for our sail this evening, and flew it both at deck level and above the safety lines. It seemed to take a better shape at deck level. This sail was apparently custom made for the MFG by a local loft, based on the labeling on the sail bag. It looks practically new and we seldom used it when we sailed the MFG. We maxed out tonight at 7 mph sog on the Garmin and averaged around 5.5 in fairly steady winds around 10 mph. Most of the time we were heeled about 10 degrees and went to 20 degrees at the most (at this point the boat was seriously fighting me to round up). I had the traveler centered as I felt comfortable with conditions. The admiral felt she had her hands full trimming the jib and commented that she thought our stability and control was not as good as usual (I disagreed, but could perceive things differently while holding the tiller and sitting to windward vs her position of sitting on the low side and handling the genoa). Anyway, we both enjoyed the experience but wondered if a sail custom designed for another boat would make a good permanent choice for the H23 or should I get something cut specifically for the new boat? In looking at the genoa we borrowed, what would tell us that it is or is not a good fit to the H23? As usual, thanks in advance!
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which is where I should have started
Lots of commentary from earlier years, not much recently (H23 specific). Should have mentioned that the "150" we were testing was in relation to a different boat, not sure how it would measure relative to the H23. On reflection, I was probably pushing things a bit last night, especially without genoa cars, making trimming the jib more difficult than it should be. As cruisers, we generally try to find solutions that fit a wide range of conditions without trying to optimize for limited circumstances. Using the larger genoa last night was partly in reaction to very frustrating almost still conditions on Sunday. Maybe when I saw the large catamarans give up for lack of wind, I should have realized it was just one of those days. A 110% jib in good condition coupled with the small spinaker we have might address my light air problems without resorting to a large sail with limited applications needing modifications and more $ to implement. Think I'll slow down and keep researching and experimenting before making a big change in sail plan. Any comments on the earlier questions I raised would still be appreciated.
which is where I should have started
Lots of commentary from earlier years, not much recently (H23 specific). Should have mentioned that the "150" we were testing was in relation to a different boat, not sure how it would measure relative to the H23. On reflection, I was probably pushing things a bit last night, especially without genoa cars, making trimming the jib more difficult than it should be. As cruisers, we generally try to find solutions that fit a wide range of conditions without trying to optimize for limited circumstances. Using the larger genoa last night was partly in reaction to very frustrating almost still conditions on Sunday. Maybe when I saw the large catamarans give up for lack of wind, I should have realized it was just one of those days. A 110% jib in good condition coupled with the small spinaker we have might address my light air problems without resorting to a large sail with limited applications needing modifications and more $ to implement. Think I'll slow down and keep researching and experimenting before making a big change in sail plan. Any comments on the earlier questions I raised would still be appreciated.My expereince with 155 and 135
I have a 155% genny for my H23. The class rules say the maximum luff is 26'4". The maximum LP is 13'2". The luff on my particular 155 is less to account for a roller furling system. When trimmed in it goes about half way down the stanchions. In that situation, someone goes forward and skirts the 155 along the life lines. I do not have a window in mine, but the next one will have a window. I have not modified the safety lines, and do not think it is necessary or a good idea. When I bought my boat, the PO set up the blocks and jib cars for the 155%. Looking at the pictures of standard " from the factory" H23's it is clear that the jibsheet block location will not work for a 155%. I also have a 135% which has a seperate set of jib sheet cars. Send me your email address and I can send you a picture of where the blocks are on my H23 for the 155 and 135. Email to billleathen@aol.com and I will email back the picture. I would do it now, but I don't have any pictures loaded onto this computer. The H23 is a great boat. In a bit of a blow with the 155, we tend to go more than 20 degrees. But I am too busy to look at the inclinometer and see how far. I have never put the rail in the water, although my kids claim that they have. In fact with the 155, anything over about 9 mph will get the boat over a bit. If you are restricted to 20 degree tilt, don't go with the 155. In fact unless you plan to race the boat, my thinking is that anything over 135 is plenty.
I have a 155% genny for my H23. The class rules say the maximum luff is 26'4". The maximum LP is 13'2". The luff on my particular 155 is less to account for a roller furling system. When trimmed in it goes about half way down the stanchions. In that situation, someone goes forward and skirts the 155 along the life lines. I do not have a window in mine, but the next one will have a window. I have not modified the safety lines, and do not think it is necessary or a good idea. When I bought my boat, the PO set up the blocks and jib cars for the 155%. Looking at the pictures of standard " from the factory" H23's it is clear that the jibsheet block location will not work for a 155%. I also have a 135% which has a seperate set of jib sheet cars. Send me your email address and I can send you a picture of where the blocks are on my H23 for the 155 and 135. Email to billleathen@aol.com and I will email back the picture. I would do it now, but I don't have any pictures loaded onto this computer. The H23 is a great boat. In a bit of a blow with the 155, we tend to go more than 20 degrees. But I am too busy to look at the inclinometer and see how far. I have never put the rail in the water, although my kids claim that they have. In fact with the 155, anything over about 9 mph will get the boat over a bit. If you are restricted to 20 degree tilt, don't go with the 155. In fact unless you plan to race the boat, my thinking is that anything over 135 is plenty.
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