I've been messing with the mast rake on my H23. Since mine is the only H23 at our lake, I have no others with which to compare. I still have a bit of weather helm and wonder if I might reduce rake even more. I just posted a photo of my boat in the Photo Forum which shows my current mast angle pretty well. Maybe someone with more experience could take a look at it and comment? I would appreciate any input. Thanks, Rodney
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Mark Kissel
That's a lot of rake!
Rodney, I hope someone with a 23 will look at the photo and advise you better. I have a 240 so what works for me may not for you. The rake on my mast is less than half what you have. I do have considerably more bend in the mast. My helm is almost neutral in anything under 10 knots. Mark Kissel Kittiwake/98H240
Rodney, I hope someone with a 23 will look at the photo and advise you better. I have a 240 so what works for me may not for you. The rake on my mast is less than half what you have. I do have considerably more bend in the mast. My helm is almost neutral in anything under 10 knots. Mark Kissel Kittiwake/98H240
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Greg Stebbins
Yea, to much.
Rodney, Hang a weight from the main halyard. at the deck, the weight should be about 6-8 inches from the trailing edge of the mast. Halyard tension should be about: forestay - 300# lower shrouds - 300# upper shrouds -600# backstay - just tight You'll need to buy/borrow a Loo's guage to set the tensions. Good luck Greg H23 Faster-
Rodney, Hang a weight from the main halyard. at the deck, the weight should be about 6-8 inches from the trailing edge of the mast. Halyard tension should be about: forestay - 300# lower shrouds - 300# upper shrouds -600# backstay - just tight You'll need to buy/borrow a Loo's guage to set the tensions. Good luck Greg H23 Faster-
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Dawn Watkins
Too Much
Hello- I have a 23.5 Hunter. Your boat is definately too much rake. I usually have to reef my main in about 18-20mph winds. WIth that, I do not have any weather-helm.
Hello- I have a 23.5 Hunter. Your boat is definately too much rake. I usually have to reef my main in about 18-20mph winds. WIth that, I do not have any weather-helm.
It looks like a lot, but...
...your photo did not show the hull of your boat. Mast rake should be measured as Greg described, but the boat has to be floating level on its waterline. The weight of the outboard, battery, water tank, crew and all the toys in the cockpit locker makes the boat squat a bit. If the lower end of your transom is in the water with no one on board, it's squatting. Mine did too, so I emptied the water tank, and moved stuff from the cockpit locker into the forepeak and under the cabin seats until the bottom of the transom was about an inch out of the water with no one on board. That's the way the boat is drawn in the owner's manual, so I figured this is how it should float when adjusting the rig. Good luck. Peter S/V Raven
...your photo did not show the hull of your boat. Mast rake should be measured as Greg described, but the boat has to be floating level on its waterline. The weight of the outboard, battery, water tank, crew and all the toys in the cockpit locker makes the boat squat a bit. If the lower end of your transom is in the water with no one on board, it's squatting. Mine did too, so I emptied the water tank, and moved stuff from the cockpit locker into the forepeak and under the cabin seats until the bottom of the transom was about an inch out of the water with no one on board. That's the way the boat is drawn in the owner's manual, so I figured this is how it should float when adjusting the rig. Good luck. Peter S/V Raven
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R. Wheeler
Maybe not enough prebend in mast
When I got my 23, I had a very severe weather helm. I put more prebend in my mast and the weather helm is almost gone. Conact me and I will explain the method used. rwheel@ix.netcom.com
When I got my 23, I had a very severe weather helm. I put more prebend in my mast and the weather helm is almost gone. Conact me and I will explain the method used. rwheel@ix.netcom.com
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Rodney
Thanks all! I'm straightening my mast...
I appreciate the responses, and am going to de-rake the mast this weekend and see how it feels. I have a book, "A Manual of Sail Trim" by Stuart H. Walker which stresses the point that for sailing to windward, "the more rake the better". I have used this philosophy the past two seasons because of the layout of my lake, and my apparent inability to point to weather as well as Cat22s, Ranger23s, & Santana22s, with whom I must later drink beer, and endure inevitable taunting. According to these fellows, I simply have the wrong boat, and should have bought one with a masthead rig and a fin keel. I'm told that mine is the only Hunter23 on this lake for good reason. I'm convinced however, that my monster mast and fractional rig must have SOME advantage somewhere. Currently however, any benefits escape me. Anyhow, thanks again rodnich@hotmail.com
I appreciate the responses, and am going to de-rake the mast this weekend and see how it feels. I have a book, "A Manual of Sail Trim" by Stuart H. Walker which stresses the point that for sailing to windward, "the more rake the better". I have used this philosophy the past two seasons because of the layout of my lake, and my apparent inability to point to weather as well as Cat22s, Ranger23s, & Santana22s, with whom I must later drink beer, and endure inevitable taunting. According to these fellows, I simply have the wrong boat, and should have bought one with a masthead rig and a fin keel. I'm told that mine is the only Hunter23 on this lake for good reason. I'm convinced however, that my monster mast and fractional rig must have SOME advantage somewhere. Currently however, any benefits escape me. Anyhow, thanks again rodnich@hotmail.com
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Ward Niffenegger
search archives for mast tuning
Cliff Ruckstuhl has written a couple things on this forum about tuning the rigging for speed. Amount of rake, prebend and tensions. I would look it up in the archives. He REALLY helped me! He also mentioned how his h23, when properly tuned, beat many larger boats out of his class. It may not solve all your woes, but is worth looking at. Ward
Cliff Ruckstuhl has written a couple things on this forum about tuning the rigging for speed. Amount of rake, prebend and tensions. I would look it up in the archives. He REALLY helped me! He also mentioned how his h23, when properly tuned, beat many larger boats out of his class. It may not solve all your woes, but is worth looking at. Ward
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