Grrrr... Boat Out... Broken Base plate.

Aug 3, 2012
2,542
Performance Cruising Telstar 28 302 Watkins Glen
Got my boat lifted and set on my trailer this week. 1987 Oday 272. I store it in my shed over the Winter. The marina lifts the boat and uses a truck-mounted crane to unstep my mast. I carefully explained that the mast had to be laid to the stern to a 45 degree angle to allow the pin in the base plate to slide rearward out of the base. The crane operator snugged the crane boom against the mast but with the head beyond the mast, and he had the yard hands pull the pins on the stays and shrouds. He did not adjust the boom upward or inward to snug the sling against the spreaders, so the mast immediately leaned 15 degrees to starboard, toward the boom head. I was yelling as they did this that they could not let the mast lean to port or starboard, or it would tear the pin out of the deck plate. I was wrong... not in a positive way. The lean on the mast tore the lobe, which holds the pin, off the mast base. Pretty substantial damage, but my base plate is still usable. As long as I do not step the mast myself, the pin, and the lobe on which it is mounted do not function during sail, and so do not hinder me.

I am disappointed. The crane operator said it was my fault because my sail was still on the furler foil, and that somehow inhibited the use of the boom. I do not understand. I do not agree. I held the foil/sail out of the way of the boom. He did not adjust the boom height or extension to snug the sling against the spreaders.

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The photos show the lobe and pin on the mast base on the lower right. That entire lobe was shorn from the base.

Cognitively, I feel a reluctance to make a claim against them, asking them to reimburse me the cost of acquiring new parts to adapt to the base plate (a replacement part is out of the question... This is an '87 Oday 272... the base plate is out of production and on backorder for 5 years..), or at least asking them to not charge me for a lift / unstepping that caused damage. If I make a claim, I fear I will be blackballed. On the one hand, I cannot imagine they would be so unprofessional. On the other, they may refuse to step my mast, and I cannot step it myself now because they ripped the stepping pin off the mast base.

I know some of you have experienced similar problems, and I seek your guidance on how to proceed or whether to proceed at all with the yard.

On the one hand, the pin provides no structural support while the mast is stepped, so it does not stop me from sailing next season. On the other hand, I knew it would be a pain in the butt when we unstepped the mast, so I was super-careful to point out the requirements.

I have purchased a stainless steel, hinged base plate which I believe I could modify by cutting a slot for the base tang to fit between the base plate and the deck plate if I want to step it myself. It leaves the damaged base in place, and it leaves the current deck plate in place, per my design which can be changed, of course. It will add 1/2 inch to the spread, and I believe my stays and shrouds will accomodate that without changing them out. The base plate cost me a little less than the charge for unstepping my mast. You see what I am getting at here.

This is my first season with a marina lifting my boat and un/stepping my mast.

What say you?

Thanks,
Andrew
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
some thoughts etc.

We have two boats are two different facilities:

The club were the First 260 is we do it ALL, including the operation of the mast pole and the 10 ton crane. Its all on ME. I mess up I get out my checkbook.

The First 367 gets hauled by the pro yard crew, and they do it ALL. Its all on them. They mess anything up, they sort it out.

My point is that is is very hard when both parties are involved. I'm guessing you will have a hard time with a positive result with this on, Sadly.

You are right about the base of that mast. US Spars has not used that base style in 20+ years. The new model is much better, but as you have found 1.5 inches shorter than the old one, requiring a booster plate underneath the base. Which is also new.

Good luck!
 
Aug 3, 2012
2,542
Performance Cruising Telstar 28 302 Watkins Glen
some thoughts etc. We have two boats are two different facilities: The club were the First 260 is we do it ALL, including the operation of the mast pole and the 10 ton crane. Its all on ME. I mess up I get out my checkbook. The First 367 gets hauled by the pro yard crew, and they do it ALL. Its all on them. They mess anything up, they sort it out. My point is that is is very hard when both parties are involved. I'm guessing you will have a hard time with a positive result with this on, Sadly. You are right about the base of that mast. US Spars has not used that base style in 20+ years. The new model is much better, but as you have found 1.5 inches shorter than the old one, requiring a booster plate underneath the base. Which is also new. Good luck!
Thanks for the expertise! You are right. I jumped aboard when I saw things going awry. I grabbed the foil as it sagged to stern toward the mast. I didn't want the drum scraping along my deck!. I do agree that I will have trouble recovering.

Thanks.

Andrew
 

caguy

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Sep 22, 2006
4,004
Catalina, Luger C-27, Adventure 30 Marina del Rey
Can you take the parts to a welder and have it repaired? It shouldn't cost you much.
 
Aug 3, 2012
2,542
Performance Cruising Telstar 28 302 Watkins Glen
Can you take the parts to a welder and have it repaired? It shouldn't cost you much.
I did think of this. My experience with cast metals is that they are brazed. I have not had experience with cast aluminum. Is it possible to weld a cast aluminum part?

Thanks.

Andrew
 

caguy

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Sep 22, 2006
4,004
Catalina, Luger C-27, Adventure 30 Marina del Rey
Yes it is, find a good welder to brazen it.,
 
Jun 1, 2007
272
O'Day 322 Mt.Sinai
I believe the marina should make good on this. If the crane operator felt that having your head sail on was an issue, he should have spoken up before the fact, not afterwards..

From what I see, I would get replacement parts from DR Marine and Zpar (if that's your mast manufacturer, it is mine on my '87 272LE), and after getting satisfaction from the marina, moving on to another one.

They should be standing behind their service, which we all pay dearly for, and not blaming the owner when things go south...
 
Sep 15, 2009
6,243
S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
I did think of this. My experience with cast metals is that they are brazed. I have not had experience with cast aluminum. Is it possible to weld a cast aluminum part?

Thanks.

Andrew
have it Tig (aka..... heliarc) welded ...they will grind out a v bevel in the broken part and weld it back together ...this insures a full penetration weld ...they can even grind it back to almost new cosmetically if so desired
 

Pat

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Jun 7, 2004
1,250
Oday 272LE Ninnescah Yacht Club, Wichita, Ks.
Andrew, sorry to read about this....you were exactly right...45 degree angle to stern....I believe you should get relief on this as it is their duty to ask questions of the owner and perform accordingly....I think they sometimes feel they know best and just proceed like all is well when in fact they have a duty to lpay attention to what you are saying...If they had paid attention and really looked at that mast base this might have been avoided....Good Luck and let me know if I can help at all. I would look at the welding also from above posts...sounds like good advice. Patrick
 
Aug 3, 2012
2,542
Performance Cruising Telstar 28 302 Watkins Glen
have it Tig (aka..... heliarc) welded ...they will grind out a v bevel in the broken part and weld it back together ...this insures a full penetration weld ...they can even grind it back to almost new cosmetically if so desired
Thanks! I have done some gas welding on mild steel, but not on aluminum. Happily, there is an excellent fabrication shop nearby. I will take the part(s) there.

Thanks!
Andrew
 
Jan 27, 2008
3,086
ODay 35 Beaufort, NC
Welding cast aluminum is done all the time but one concern. The weld and heat effected zone will not be at the same temper as the rest of the part. You should have the part heat treated after welding to get the strength back.
 
Aug 3, 2012
2,542
Performance Cruising Telstar 28 302 Watkins Glen
Welding cast aluminum is done all the time but one concern. The weld and heat effected zone will not be at the same temper as the rest of the part. You should have the part heat treated after welding to get the strength back.
Do I ask the fabricator about that?

Thanks.

Andrew
 
Aug 3, 2012
2,542
Performance Cruising Telstar 28 302 Watkins Glen
Thanks all. I wish I still had my gas rig. I would do it myself. I even found a Youtube video! I will remove the base tomorrow and call the local shop to see if they can handle it. If they can't, I may just borrow my rig back and get some aluminum filler rod from the local supply.

I will let you know how it goes.

Thanks,

Andrew
 
Sep 15, 2009
6,243
S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
Do I ask the fabricator about that?

Thanks.

Andrew
yes ask him he will know what to tell you and as far as using a acetylene rig to do this if you have never certified on that process best to let the fab shop weld it ...welding aluminum is an art all by its self and best left to the Tig welder....he should be able to do the job with minimal heat and not fracture the weld and have 100 times better filler metal control that a gas rig will afford......
 

Tsam

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Jun 28, 2011
30
S2 6.8 Long Lake, MN
I broke the base plate on a different type of sailboat and took it to the largest welding shop I could find. The told me it was actually made of magnesium and did a beautiful restoration for a small charge. They said they all have boats and know how discouraging to have something like that happen. They enjoyed the challenge.
Good Luck!
 
Jun 2, 2004
1,944
Oday Day Sailer Wareham, MA
Not removing the jib from the furler should have had no affect on this. HOWEVER, I would ALWAYS remove the jib from the furler anyway to properly rinse the sail off after a season of sailing and properly roll/fold it up for off-season storage. Sails should never be left in place (even on an unstepped mast) during storage, proper storage adds greatly to the life of a sail.
 
Aug 3, 2012
2,542
Performance Cruising Telstar 28 302 Watkins Glen
Got the base welded at the local fabricator. They did a nice job. I am relieved to have it fixed and ready for use.