GPS and position

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Jun 7, 2004
91
Hunter 34 Selby Bay
Take a few steps on deck

With the GPS in hand, walk a few steps in the direction you wish to determine. Make sure the unit is level and facing forward. The 76S will show the heading accordingly. ~ Happy sails to you ~ _/) ~
 

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May 24, 2004
341
Pearson 323 panama city
The secret is to look at the numbers

The GPS gives you a heading to a waypoint!!!! If it says go 300 degrees go 300 degrees by your compass. Once you are moving it will probably give another heading say 280 degrees. This is to compensate for currents etc. If you adjust the heading of your boat until the heading on the GPS indicates that you are on course all is well. Just remember that the heading given by the GPS is the course you need to follow and not the direction that you point the boat. In practice I will take a heading until the GPS indicates that I am directly on course. Then I notice the compass heading and then follow the compass. My GPS is just a battery powered handheld so it is usually turned off. If there is doubt about our position it is turned on and the position plotted on a chart and we study everything until it all seems to agree. My wife usually plays with the GPS and charts while we are under way. I find my way by piloting from visual references and the depth sounder. We check each others positions from time to time. Off shore this is about every hour or two to check progress. In channels and looking for a place to anchor it is much more frequent.
 
Apr 19, 1999
1,670
Pearson Wanderer Titusville, Florida
More things to consider about GPS

As noted, GPS provides very accurate position information. However, many charts currently in use (including those that have been digitized for GPS chartplotters) are based on VERY OLD hydrographic surveys. Your position by GPS may be accurate but the chart that you're using as a reference may not be. To use an extreme example, there are reefs in the Pacific where people have run aground because according to the chart they were several miles away from where the GPS (accurately) said they were. In addition, some things underwater move around (sandbars are a good example), so you may run aground in an area where your GPS and chart tell you that the water is deep. Keep one eye out for new buoys and the other on the depthsounder. Lots of chartplotters show underwater contours which look nice on the display but they too may be based on the original chart (of unknown age and accuracy) that was digitized. Not good. The moral of my tale? Don't believe the hype. A good navigator doesn't rely on a single source of information, nor should he/she trust any source 100%. In addition to a sharp lookout, sounds, boat motion and smell can provide valuable clues to supplement what the chart, compass, depthsounder and GPS are telling you. Unless you have excellent local knowledge, a properly working depthsounder and current tide tables, the prudent thing to do is get out of traffic, heave-to or drop anchor and commence with the horn. Finally, there is a GPS currently being developed that will provide heading when the boat is motionless. It is a fixed unit with two antennas, one at the bow and the other at the stern. It measures the position of each antenna, then calculates heading based on the position of the bow antenna relative to the stern. It's much more precise than an ordinary GPS so it will be pricey. Peter H23 "Raven"
 
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Lat./Long.

When the coasties asked for the grounded boats position they were requesting the Latitude and Longditude. With the boat stopped the position given would be quite accurate As I see it the original question was on how accurate the POSITION would be. Not any heading or where he had been This is assuming the GPS did have the Lat. / Long. information, which is what was wanted and would tell the coasties where the grounded boat was, the accuracy would depend on the system used, DGPS, WAAS, # of satelites in "view" of the receiver Tony
 

Tim R.

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May 27, 2004
3,626
Caliber 40 Long Range Cruiser Portland, Maine
Course vs heading

The direction to a waypoint is a course not a heading. Heading is which way your boat is going. Course is the direction you steer to get to a waypoint. Tim R.
 
Jan 18, 2004
221
Beneteau 321 Houston
Thanks Tim

That was exactly what I was trying to get across in my much earlier post, but you said in much elegantly and precisely! Maybe we need another term like "course direction" or something! Jon McClain s/v Parrot Tales B321
 
Feb 18, 2004
184
Catalina 36mkII Kincardine - Lake Huron
To be precise on terms ...and some other stuff

Course is what you are actually trying to steer after taking into account drift and set of current and leeway of your boat. Intended track is the expected path of the boat, as plotted on a chart after consideration has been given to the effect of current and leeway. This normally is represented by the bearing you are given on a GPS from where you are now to the waypoint you wish to go to. If you have no current or leeway your course will be your intended track. Heading is where the boat is pointed at any given time - you use the compass to determine this. Heading constantly changes due to waves and steering errors but you try to keep your heading averaging on your course. Course over ground (or course made good) is what the GPS tells you as you move through the water. Summary: So if you are going from A to B you establish the Intended Track (the GPS is useful in this), you make calculations and estimates to allow for current and leeway. Using these you establish your Course and you use the compass to Head the vessel on your course. Of course, as always, you must convert a True course to the Compass course in order to use it as a heading. In Practise: In practise, you can do as has been said already, use trial and error to find a Compass course that keeps you on the intended track established by the GPS. As has already been said, if you have any current or drift - the compass heading will not be the same as the course suggested by the GPS. Other Stuff: Finally, I agree with the comments that suggest you should know how to do all this without a GPS - I have chartered two boats where the GPS did not work reliably. I have two GPSs on board my own vessel - one hand held and a chart plotter. I take my hand held on charters. The back-up hand held does not have to do plotting but it is preferable that it is designed for marine navigation. On my own GPSs, I have noted short term position differences of a couple of hundred feet (both at the same time) although they are normally amazingly accurate.
 
Dec 2, 2003
4,245
- - Seabeck WA
You know,,,,

Navigation is like sailing. You can make it extremely complex or do it the sloppy way and most of us will do just fine. OH, IMHO. :)
 
May 6, 2004
916
Hunter 37C Seattle
I graduated from Ficarra school of nav

The only time I looked at the compass was to see if it matched the GPS, in case the GPS went out. If Im going cross-current to my destination, I just "fudge" 5 degrees upriver, unless I know the tidal current speed. If I know the current speed I do the complicated speed/distance calculation, then "Fudge" upriver 5 degrees. The Ficarra school of nav devotes a lot of time to mastering the "Fudge".
 

Tim R.

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May 27, 2004
3,626
Caliber 40 Long Range Cruiser Portland, Maine
Thanks Malcolm

Good elaboration. My advanced piloting is due to start in Jan. Fred, I'm glad you're on the left coast;-) Scott, we eat fudge here. Keeps us warm in the wintah! Tim R.
 
Jun 8, 2004
3,008
Catalina 320 Dana Point
Fred, it's not sloppy, it sounds

much more technical if you call it "navigating by seaman's eye" that's what they call it in the CG nav book now.
 
Dec 2, 2003
4,245
- - Seabeck WA
Eeee Gads!!

I didn't mean to say that 'I' was sloppy! *yks I was talking about the other guy! Man, just look at my nav station. *pop That setup drives the boat anywhere. I have never, even once, not known exactly where I was. And most of the time I know where the other guy is too. We talked about someone here developing a automatic parking system too. I would be first in line. Seems it was Scott. P.S. Well there was that one crossing from Trinidad to Grenada,,. But most of the stuff was down. :{
 
Dec 25, 2000
6,052
Hunter Passage 42 Shelter Bay, WA
Hey Fred, I visited your site and I see...

Linda on picture number 70. Then on picture number 87 I see two guys, one with a ball cap and one with very little hair on his head and a hairy upper lip. Which one are you :)? Terry
 
Dec 2, 2003
4,245
- - Seabeck WA
Hey now, I've still got some hair, just because

I'm not vane (or is that vain?) enough to wear that baseball cap to hide a chrome-dome like my buddy, sheeze.:)
 
Dec 25, 2000
6,052
Hunter Passage 42 Shelter Bay, WA
Hi Fred, thanks. Just trying to get a rise...

Nice site, BTW. It would be great if you added one more pic, a closeup portrait of you and Linda. But then again she is so much prettier :). Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and your family. Terry and Patti Cox S/V Belle-Vie
 
Dec 2, 2003
4,245
- - Seabeck WA
A close up!

We're too old! *yks And Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and yours too. Fred (and Linda) SV Epitome'
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,319
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Never Too Old

Fred Thanks for a great year of give and take. You give a lot, and it's much appreciated. To all the respondents and the folks who give us this valuable resource: THANKS Stu
 
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