I've looked into this before but I'll try it again. I'm looking for a small boat that can actally get up and go AND allow some comforts for wife and I. The boat should be in the 21-25 range and due to $$$$, or rather lack of $$$$, it should probably be a bit older. Oh yeah, here's the kicker, she has to draft less than 2'6".... I'll be holding my breath waiting for suggestions.
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S2 6.9
It is the babby brother of the S2 7.9, and it is designed to be a racing cruiser. It has a lifting keel, draws 1 ft with the keel up and about 5 ft with it down. There are faster boats to be had - like the J22, but they have fixed keels and will take 5 ft of water. Regards, Ted
It is the babby brother of the S2 7.9, and it is designed to be a racing cruiser. It has a lifting keel, draws 1 ft with the keel up and about 5 ft with it down. There are faster boats to be had - like the J22, but they have fixed keels and will take 5 ft of water. Regards, Ted
Boats that fit
Catalina 22, Hunter 22 Hunter 23 and 23.5, South Coast 22,Venture 22,O Day 22. The old boats are out there, You have to find then. Good luck. Fair Winds Jim
Catalina 22, Hunter 22 Hunter 23 and 23.5, South Coast 22,Venture 22,O Day 22. The old boats are out there, You have to find then. Good luck. Fair Winds Jim
There is a lot of difference
in the 21' to 25' range - at the lower end are boats that can be "weekended" and pulled behind a standard sedan or wagon. At the upper end are those that are technically "trailerable", but are so much work to load and rig that it's a job you only want to do once or twice a year, not even counting looking for a suitable tow vehicle. If you plan on trailering the boat once a month or more, you'll have to give up some amenities that go with the larger sizes. The boats already mentioned range in price from around $2k to more than $10k - quite a span. Where are you comfortable in that range?
in the 21' to 25' range - at the lower end are boats that can be "weekended" and pulled behind a standard sedan or wagon. At the upper end are those that are technically "trailerable", but are so much work to load and rig that it's a job you only want to do once or twice a year, not even counting looking for a suitable tow vehicle. If you plan on trailering the boat once a month or more, you'll have to give up some amenities that go with the larger sizes. The boats already mentioned range in price from around $2k to more than $10k - quite a span. Where are you comfortable in that range?
Oday 25
I don't know what your $$$ limit is, but I purchased a 1975 Oday 25 in August for what I think was a good price. It draws 2.5 feet with the center board up and 6 feet with it down. It has a lot of the comforts of home and is real workhorse. So far, I couldn't be happier. I am not into racing, but she can really go when you ask her.
I don't know what your $$$ limit is, but I purchased a 1975 Oday 25 in August for what I think was a good price. It draws 2.5 feet with the center board up and 6 feet with it down. It has a lot of the comforts of home and is real workhorse. So far, I couldn't be happier. I am not into racing, but she can really go when you ask her.
you're going in two directions
There are multitudes of boats in that range that hae cabins and sail well: The San Juan 21 and 23 are extremely popular racers that have been successfully cruised. A fast boat is usually a racer: spartan belowdecks and oversailed, tender and corky to sail and a rodeo ride in a seaway. A cruiser boat less so: heavier by a bit, more creature comforts, less tender. Boats that do both are pretty hard to find but the Capri 22 or even the Chevrolet of the sailing world, the Catalina 22 is pretty good: you can get a cruiser and run a larger headsail and a new mainsail and you may end up with both. The older Hunters are great boats too.
There are multitudes of boats in that range that hae cabins and sail well: The San Juan 21 and 23 are extremely popular racers that have been successfully cruised. A fast boat is usually a racer: spartan belowdecks and oversailed, tender and corky to sail and a rodeo ride in a seaway. A cruiser boat less so: heavier by a bit, more creature comforts, less tender. Boats that do both are pretty hard to find but the Capri 22 or even the Chevrolet of the sailing world, the Catalina 22 is pretty good: you can get a cruiser and run a larger headsail and a new mainsail and you may end up with both. The older Hunters are great boats too.
Boat Raiting
This is a link thay u can compare the speeds of the different boats that u are considering
This is a link thay u can compare the speeds of the different boats that u are considering
I was looking for the same thing...
Steve, I too was looking for a boat with about the same specs. as you are. Roomy and comfortable for weekending, reasonably fast, shallow draft and not too expensive. My other requirement was that she be easy to trailer, as I live in the mountains of N. Calif. and do most of my sailing on lakes. Since you live in Florida, that last one probably doesn't apply to you, but what I ended up deciding on was an '89 MacGregor 26D. I know some people think the Macs are kinda 'cheap' and in some ways they are (spartan interior, minimalist wiring, etc.) but I have found them to be solid and quite usuable. The few shortcomings they do have are easy to remedy and the ability to take her in the shallows or up on the beach (with the centerboard up) is a real plus. Don't know what the market is like on your side of the country, but here on the left coast I found I could get a Mac 26 for about the same $ as a Catalina 22 (I paid $5k for a well equipped and fine condition) IMHO it's a lot more boat and a good bit faster as well. (I've raced two Cat. 22's and had no problem leaving them behind) Anyhow, just thought I'd throw-in my two cents worth. Good luck on finding the boat that's right for you... Jeff M. S/V Katrina Marie
Steve, I too was looking for a boat with about the same specs. as you are. Roomy and comfortable for weekending, reasonably fast, shallow draft and not too expensive. My other requirement was that she be easy to trailer, as I live in the mountains of N. Calif. and do most of my sailing on lakes. Since you live in Florida, that last one probably doesn't apply to you, but what I ended up deciding on was an '89 MacGregor 26D. I know some people think the Macs are kinda 'cheap' and in some ways they are (spartan interior, minimalist wiring, etc.) but I have found them to be solid and quite usuable. The few shortcomings they do have are easy to remedy and the ability to take her in the shallows or up on the beach (with the centerboard up) is a real plus. Don't know what the market is like on your side of the country, but here on the left coast I found I could get a Mac 26 for about the same $ as a Catalina 22 (I paid $5k for a well equipped and fine condition) IMHO it's a lot more boat and a good bit faster as well. (I've raced two Cat. 22's and had no problem leaving them behind) Anyhow, just thought I'd throw-in my two cents worth. Good luck on finding the boat that's right for you... Jeff M. S/V Katrina Marie
Well, how about......
Steve, Right off the bat, I'll admit to being prejudiced in favor of the h23. I've owned and sailed one for years. I crewed for a friend on a SJ23. Its ok, and might serve your purposes. I have been impressed by Schock's Santana 2023C, the cruising version of their water ballast 2023. It's got nice speed, a reasonable interior for a 23' boat, very shallow draft with the board up, its easy to set up and fun to sail. Since its made in California, you should be able to find some to look at, possibly at a reaonsable price. And there's always the h23. Jim Kolstoe, h23 Kara's Boo
Steve, Right off the bat, I'll admit to being prejudiced in favor of the h23. I've owned and sailed one for years. I crewed for a friend on a SJ23. Its ok, and might serve your purposes. I have been impressed by Schock's Santana 2023C, the cruising version of their water ballast 2023. It's got nice speed, a reasonable interior for a 23' boat, very shallow draft with the board up, its easy to set up and fun to sail. Since its made in California, you should be able to find some to look at, possibly at a reaonsable price. And there's always the h23. Jim Kolstoe, h23 Kara's Boo
steven f. of pt. charlotte - What's Your Budget?
Steven - haven't noticed any feedback and was wondering (1) if you're reading the posts and (2) what your budget is? I have some thoughts too but it may be over your budget.
Steven - haven't noticed any feedback and was wondering (1) if you're reading the posts and (2) what your budget is? I have some thoughts too but it may be over your budget.
Paceship PY23
There are a lot of boats that fit your need out there. I recently bought a Paceship PY23 for $500.00 trailer and sails included. O.K I know a $500.00 boat does need a lot of cosmetic work but structurally it is sound. The way I see it, there arn't many people that will let you make payments on an older boat rigged out the way you always dreamed it would be. I kept looking at and reading about all the boats that fit what I wanted on the net and scoured the papers, e-bay etc. until I found one that suited my needs at a steal of a price. Will I have to put some money in the boat? Yes, I will, but in the end I'll have the boat the way I want it and use it in the mean time. Also it will be my boat inside and out and I'll know everything in and on her. Just have a little patience and your boat will find you. Good Luck
There are a lot of boats that fit your need out there. I recently bought a Paceship PY23 for $500.00 trailer and sails included. O.K I know a $500.00 boat does need a lot of cosmetic work but structurally it is sound. The way I see it, there arn't many people that will let you make payments on an older boat rigged out the way you always dreamed it would be. I kept looking at and reading about all the boats that fit what I wanted on the net and scoured the papers, e-bay etc. until I found one that suited my needs at a steal of a price. Will I have to put some money in the boat? Yes, I will, but in the end I'll have the boat the way I want it and use it in the mean time. Also it will be my boat inside and out and I'll know everything in and on her. Just have a little patience and your boat will find you. Good Luck
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