Glad I took y'all's advice...

Kermit

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Jul 31, 2010
5,722
AquaCat 12.5 17342 Wateree Lake, SC
Looking at my emergency tiller, I wondered what could be so difficult about a simple design. The design IS very simple. The corroded metal is what made the pin difficult to remove. A bloody finger later, I've cleaned it up and it works much better now. Everyone, please listen to those who suggest trying out your emergency tiller before you need it. I'm glad I did!
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
Kermit: Did you actually steer with the boat underway? That was the shock of my sailing life, needed dock lines tied off and routed to the primary winches to steer mine. It was ugly.
 
Feb 17, 2006
5,274
Lancer 27PS MCB Camp Pendleton KF6BL
I know trying to steer my boat with the emergency tiller (ET) is near impossible if the wheel is still connected to the rudder shaft. The whole purpose of the ET is to use when the steering cable snaps. I think if you want to try steering with the ET as a test, one would have to remove the cable. That, I do not want to do. But if it is time to replace the cable, then that would be a great time to test the ET.
 

Kermit

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Jul 31, 2010
5,722
AquaCat 12.5 17342 Wateree Lake, SC
Kermit: Did you actually steer with the boat underway? That was the shock of my sailing life, needed dock lines tied off and routed to the primary winches to steer mine. It was ugly.
I did not use the tiller under way. Only at the dock. I will take your advice and do that soon. I'm blessed with a wheel that turns easily and smoothly. The wheel turned right along with the tiller.

Wheel steering has been surprisingly challenging for me. My brain wants to steer like I'm using a tiller. I don't have that issue on a motorboat. It's a mystery.
 
Oct 17, 2011
2,809
Ericson 29 Southport..
I know trying to steer my boat with the emergency tiller (ET) is near impossible if the wheel is still connected to the rudder shaft. The whole purpose of the ET is to use when the steering cable snaps. I think if you want to try steering with the ET as a test, one would have to remove the cable. That, I do not want to do. But if it is time to replace the cable, then that would be a great time to test the ET.
So true. With the wheel still connected, the power gained at the wheel to turn the rudder is reversed. Stand behind the boat while it's on the hill and push the rudder back and forth. Kinda tough, huh?
 

Kermit

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Jul 31, 2010
5,722
AquaCat 12.5 17342 Wateree Lake, SC
So true. With the wheel still connected, the power gained at the wheel to turn the rudder is reversed. Stand behind the boat while it's on the hill and push the rudder back and forth. Kinda tough, huh?
Is something not right with my H260? The steering is smooth and easy in the water, on the hard and pushing the rudder back and forth while on the trailer. When I pushed the emergency tiller back and forth while docked, the wheel turned responsively with each push and pull. I'm not trying to be smug. Everyone says it's hard to do.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,352
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Emergency tiller

Kermit, I didn't understand Bruce's point about it being hard when the wheel is connected. Of course the wheel gives a greater amount of mechanical advantage than a stubby emergency tiller, but that is the only difference I can see. As long as the wheel brake is off, and there's nothing else wrong that will bind the system (i.e., if a cable comes off and it lands on top of the quadrant and binds it up, or the chain hops off like in Maine Sail's example), you're still moving the exact same "material" so in my experience it isn't any different. At least when you're practicing and everything from the wheel to the quadrant to the rudder shaft is working OK...:)
 
Feb 17, 2006
5,274
Lancer 27PS MCB Camp Pendleton KF6BL
No there is nothing wrong. You are just really lucky. For some of us, it is very hard to use the ET when the wheel is connected to the rudder post.
 

Kermit

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Jul 31, 2010
5,722
AquaCat 12.5 17342 Wateree Lake, SC
No there is nothing wrong. You are just really lucky. For some of us, it is very hard to use the ET when the wheel is connected to the rudder post.
Mom always did like me best. ;-)
 
Oct 17, 2011
2,809
Ericson 29 Southport..
Mom always did like me best. ;-)
Haaaha. Cool man. Some are nearly impossible to move on the hill, some not. Depends. A cable unit is easier, rack and pinion very difficult, hydraulic impossible, etc. It depends on a lot of things, and yours may be easier still.

That and the Mom thing..:D
 
Jan 6, 2010
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I've practiced with my EM over the years. Oh, and I remember the bloody finger days too. My rudder is foam filled & buoyant in the water. I wonder if Kermit is fighting the full weight of his rudder while on the hard?

I did however come up with a quick changeout for installing my ET. On my C30, the mounting fixture for the ET was bulky, irregular shaped & bolted onto my rudder tube. The space behind my wheel to the bench is narrow. It was shaped such & exactly at the right height to constantly bang my legs & the thru bolts would also cut me nicely. Knowing my rudder was buoyant, I removed the cast mounting fixture & I attached this to the my ET. I then took (I believe a 3" PVC pipe cap), match-drilled a thru hole to align with the hole in my rudder tube. I then slip the cap on the tube & run one through bolt exact length with any sharp bolt edges smoothened. No more cuts & bruises. When needed, I can quickly remove the cap, slip on the ET w/mount fixture.

I've tried steering both ways, with the wheel on & off. And, it works both ways, but if the ET is on, you should have time to remove the wheel at some point. Or, just simply raise the tiller to clear the spokes or, maybe you just need to shorten it some to clear your wheel.

Another advantage to my PVC cap is for making a rudder position line. I aligned the rudder straight. Using tape, I made a 1/4" wide "line" from the center of the cap forward & vertically down the side. Now, I assure you I'm not gay but, I used a very nice bright red fingernail polish to paint the cap to indicate my rudder position. Now all I need do is to look down to see where my rudder is at. Funny, as now I'm thinking of also doing my nails too.

CR
 

Kermit

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Jul 31, 2010
5,722
AquaCat 12.5 17342 Wateree Lake, SC
Captnron,

Really? I'm pretty sure you didn't just go to the cosmetic counter for bright red fingernail polish for one 1/4" line. You sail the "left coast of Florida." And now you're "thinking of painting" your nails red. Me thinks there's more to this story than you're telling us.
 
Jan 6, 2010
1,520
Kermit,

Shut up or I'll scratch your eyes out BE-ach.
I might have some leftover polish if this color goes with your eyes.

Happy Easter pal.......

CR
 

Kermit

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Jul 31, 2010
5,722
AquaCat 12.5 17342 Wateree Lake, SC
Kermit, Shut up or I'll scratch your eyes out BE-ach. I might have some leftover polish if this color goes with your eyes. Happy Easter pal....... CR
Ron,

I wrote it, deleted it and wrote it again. I just couldn't resist. I hope you still love me. <3

Happy Easter backatcha!

p.s. We had a great Easter Day sail today.
 
Jan 6, 2010
1,520
Kermit,

Too funny man. Glad you got out sailing.
Had family over for dinner yesterday.
I told them dinner was a surprise..............

RABBIT STEW!

CR