Getting a slip!

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Feb 17, 2006
5,274
Lancer 27PS MCB Camp Pendleton KF6BL
Wow, as boat owners one of the biggest hurdles in getting a slip. In some regions it isn't that difficult. Probably the biggest hurdle is finding the best slip for ease of access in and out.

Six years ago my wife and I purchase our first sailboat. We still have it but want to upgrade to a bigger, newer boat. When we purchased the boat, the slip was a sublet and I did not know what that meant until I was told to vacate. Took several days but we found a slip 50 miles away. These are California miles which mean it could take hours to get to the boat.

In 2008 we found a slip on a Navy base at the entrance to San Diego bay. Perfect if not for the constant rocking of the boat. Then towards the end of that same year we found a dilapidated power boat in Oceanside Marina, bought it and got the slip then sold the boat for pennies on the dollar.

We have a new home!

But when we bought our boat, we signed up on the wait list for the same marina and for the military marina next door. It took six years of waiting but both slips became available and we declined both. Why?

The slip in our present marina afforded little security and no assigned parking. A big deal? Where I live and this marina, yes. So we declined. That wait list by the way was $75/year to remain on. Threw that money away.

The military slip we got this week, but declined? Why? We were given a 28' slip which meant I can now upgrade to a Hunter 28 or Catalina 28. We found out the slip is not a standard width of 11". So we degraded to a Catalina 270 wtih a beam of 9' 10". Now we hear that the slip is about 9' 10" and if we get a C270, it will be too snug. No buffering room. So much for the best laid plans.

After six years of waiting and much anticipation, total let down. However, all is not lost. We still have a wonderful slip were we are but no chance to upgrade to a bigger boat. The current slip will hold a C28 with room to spare, but with this depressed market, selling my boat to get another one is not an option.

Just felt like relieving a little disappointment pressure. Thanks.
 

LuzSD

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Feb 21, 2009
1,009
Catalina 30 San Diego/ Dana Point, Ca.
Brian, where do you live? I could not tell from your story if you travel north or south to your slip in Oceanside. We live in Dana Point and had a similar experience... actually bought our boat in San Diego and because there were no slips for a 30 in Dana Point, we took one In America's Cup at Shelter Cove Marina. 5 years later we love where we are and though we would get alot more work accomplished on our home in DP if we brought it up here, we prefer to be in San Diego. If you are interested in going a little south, there are plenty of slips at Shelter Cove Marina and they are as wide as you need them to be as they are double slips. Perfect for growing, at least in the current economy!!

If it makes you feel any better, we have our name on both a 28'wait list in West Basin DP (they have held $437 for 4 years) and we are also on a 30' wait list in the East Basin and they hold $503 for that one. We do get our deposit anytime we chose to get off the list.
 
Feb 17, 2006
5,274
Lancer 27PS MCB Camp Pendleton KF6BL
LuzSD, we live in Oceanside, so we travel west to get to the boat. We thought about going back to SD but just keep waiting for something really nice to pop up in Oceanside. There have be a few boats come and go. One was a Pacific Seacraft Mariah. Really nice. There is also a Union 32 in Oside and a few boats like a Catalina and Hunter.

We like Oceanside. Maybe something strange will happen at Pendleton that a wider slip will be made available. Strange things like that do happen. :)

There is a guy who has a Newport 28 in a 30' slip. His boat will fit in the slip we got. He is selling his boat. Don't want to boat but if I can find him maybe he will swap. Then it becomes a horse of a different color.
 
Jun 8, 2004
2,977
Catalina 320 Dana Point
Brian, I keep my 320 with a beam of 11'9" in a slip 11'10" wide at Dana, the widest beam is only at one point and it's above dock level. 30' slips vary from 9'10" to 12' and I declined first 2 offered as too narrow. 25' slips available today at Dana, I kept my 270 in one and it's still in a 25' slip here. Waitlist for 30' slips only about 6 months, waitlist for 35' is about 4 years (I'm still on it).
Problem is that new marina tenants do not have "permanent" status, meaning you are not guaranteed a slip after upcoming rebuild.
I almost moved to Channel Islands, 35' slip in newly rebuilt marina for much less but the weather just isn't as nice.
 
Jan 22, 2008
880
Fed up w/ personal attacks I'm done with SBO
WOW, a few miles can really make a difference. I'm in Cabrillo Marina in outer Los Angeles Harbor. Beautiful facility, privately and professionally managed, secure, ample parking, reasonable rates for SoCal, 19.3 NM to Isthmus Cove at Catalina and most important to this thread, 8 available 30' slips on my gangway alone! You could move in today.

My Catalina 30 has a 10' 10" beam and I easily have 2+ feet to spare.

Across the channel there's a brand new marina with dozens if not a hundred open slips too. I hear the rates are slightly lower for the first year but who knows after that.
 
Dec 2, 1999
15,184
Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
Brian:

Remember, what you think is a depressed market means your boat may be worth a little less, but that boat you want to purchase is also at a depressed price too.

It actually is a good time to buy a boat (maybe not a brand new one). If you need to finance it you are looking at very low rates too.
 

LuzSD

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Feb 21, 2009
1,009
Catalina 30 San Diego/ Dana Point, Ca.
Ted, we are on the West basin list for so long for exactly the reason you mention,(have had to refuse at least 5 slips) most of those over there are narrow and we are wide 10'9" and we like good sized fenders if possible. Most likely will be over in East basin when we get a good call, they are much wider there.

Neil, you are correct, you have a stunning situation, I was really impressed with Cabrillo when we were there last year. San Diego also has many slips for the 30-32+ range boats.

Brian, I am assuming you are ex-military and that give you a chance at the military side of Oceanside? I did not know they rented those out.

It seems there is a compromise for every choice. SD bay has taught us how to play in traffic and I am really grateful for that. We love watching all the interesting things that go on at the boatyards across from us as well as the peace and quiet we also get there. Dana Point always seems like a party going on at someone's boat and the birds there for some reason shower the boats 10x as often as we get it in SD. No idea why.
But it would be great to run down every night for an evening sail AND work on our house as we used to...... Compromise, Compromise.
 

LuzSD

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Feb 21, 2009
1,009
Catalina 30 San Diego/ Dana Point, Ca.
Yes, this is the one that we loved last year and planned to do this year again...... but now I am hearing we probably will not do it this year because of the date, it is sandwiched in between two big races here.....AND currently the boat we race on is on the disabled list due to serious fuel tank issues. Darn, I was really looking forward to coming to Cabrillo again and I have already primed everyone about seeing your boat. We are scheduled for the Seal Beach-DP race in July and the Long Beach-DP race in Sept. but one never knows (though we have not missed that race for 4 years). It is always tough getting the boat up there the Friday before!

Do you race any of these?
 
Jan 22, 2008
880
Fed up w/ personal attacks I'm done with SBO
Nope, not a racer. Y'all enjoy that stuff, more power to you. My boat is where you come after the race.

Keep in touch. If you find yourselves in my neighborhood, there's a cold one waiting for you.
 
May 28, 2009
764
Hunter 376 Pensacola, FL
Retire to Pensacola. We pay $7 per foot for a slip at the yacht basin on the Naval Air Station. The slips are all basically the same size, 14 feet wide and take boats up to about 50 feet. The entire marina was brand new in 2005 (replaced after Hurricane Ivan demolished the old one). Probably 150 to 200 slips total, and almost half of them are empty. Well sheltered and protected in a nice cove, and as for security, well, it's a military base, there are armed guards. They don't meter power or water, and they throw in a free Blue Angels airshow every Tuesday and Wednesday. (The Blue Angels are based at NAS Pensacola and practice their show twice a week.) Less then 5 minutes out a 9 foot deep channel to Pensacola Bay, and about six miles to Pensacola Pass and the Gulf of Mexico. Water temperature is in the '80's from April to October. We see dolphins every time we sail. Did I mention it's right next to the golf course and clubhouse?

Sorry, couldn't help myself. Pensacola's unofficial motto is "Where thousands live like millions wish they could." :) Just for a final dose of salt in the wound - no income tax or personal property tax in Florida.
 

LuzSD

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Feb 21, 2009
1,009
Catalina 30 San Diego/ Dana Point, Ca.
We will do that, I promise. I am looking forward to seeing your boat some time and the cold one!
 

LuzSD

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Feb 21, 2009
1,009
Catalina 30 San Diego/ Dana Point, Ca.
Yep, Cabrillo is a well kept secret for sure. Loved being there, and if I still lived in Long Beach (grew up there) that is exactly where I'd want to keep a boat. You all are very lucky there.
 
Feb 17, 2006
5,274
Lancer 27PS MCB Camp Pendleton KF6BL
Call me weird, but I would like to have a foot on either side of a boat that I am spending BIG BUCKS for. I do not feel comfortable having a new to me boat that is mere inches on either side with no buffer room. Weird, I know. LOL
 

LuzSD

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Feb 21, 2009
1,009
Catalina 30 San Diego/ Dana Point, Ca.
Call me weird, but I would like to have a foot on either side of a boat that I am spending BIG BUCKS for. I do not feel comfortable having a new to me boat that is mere inches on either side with no buffer room. Weird, I know. LOL


Brian, when we first got our SD slip it was really odd to be in a double, where another boat was right there with us, plus difficult to clean one side!.....we'd never done that before and I felt great pressure to come in perfectly and on our own side! I am now very confident that I won't embarrass myself these days after coming in under sail (engine trouble) and the other day with approx. 20k crosswind.
I also would not want to do it with an inch to spare! Given a choice I would opt for a single slip with room but not too much on either side.
 
Oct 22, 2005
257
Hunter 44DS Redondo Beach, CA
You may have more room than you think.

Call me weird, but I would like to have a foot on either side of a boat that I am spending BIG BUCKS for. I do not feel comfortable having a new to me boat that is mere inches on either side with no buffer room. Weird, I know. LOL
My Hunter 44DS has a beam of 14' 6", my slip is 14' 10" wide. I almost turned it down but decided to go ahead and take it (my previous slip was 16' wide, but much less convenient for me). At dock level I have about 8" on each side which has turned out to be plenty. I put dock wheels at the end of the dock to help guide the boat in and go in fenders up. It took some practice, but now I seldom touch the dock wheels. Even when I bumped the sides going in (prior to the dock wheels) the worst I received was the marks from the rubber running against the hull, and that comes right off with acetone and leaves no damage.
 
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Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Re: You may have more room than you think.

The answer is easy if you take it logically. You are sailing in the wrong ocean. Only municipal marinas have a waiting list on the Chesapeake Bay.
 

sfgary

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Sep 25, 2008
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Challenger sloop Alameda
Robertsapps post sounds great except for one word that scares the crap out of me as a boat owner,HURRICANE!

Gary
 
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