I'm in the process of ordering a 150% genoa for my 26s using a CDI FF2 furler. The only thing on the deck now are a couple fairleads, one near the winch on each side and one forward about 4' on each side. I want to install t-tracks and jib cars but I'm not sure of the placement of the track. I want to use a 4' track. Anyone have a clue? I'm wondering if placing the forward end of the track at the forward fairlead will work well enough? Any info or pix of installations would be very helpful. Thanks, Ed S.V. Las Chicas
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Genoa fairleads
Sounds like about 2 feet of the tracks will be wasted on a 150. My tracks run from the rear of the cabin about 18" forward. They work fine for the working jib, but for the 150 I sometimes use a block at the rear of the cockpit. I have blocks at the front and rear of the cockpit. Hope this makes sense
Sounds like about 2 feet of the tracks will be wasted on a 150. My tracks run from the rear of the cabin about 18" forward. They work fine for the working jib, but for the 150 I sometimes use a block at the rear of the cockpit. I have blocks at the front and rear of the cockpit. Hope this makes sense
Did that this weekend
Will try to post pix later. I sail a 26D, so should be the same setup. I actually placed mine slightly forward and outboard of the originals (which I removed.) Probably 6" forward. From what I've read and experienced, placement depends a lot on your sail (of course) but also in how much wind you typically sail in. Some people actually place multiple tracks in order to dial it in. My reasons for going forward were these: - my sail's a 135, not a 150 - the track's 2-feet, so running the cars at the front of the track now let's me trim the sail well when reefed. I can pull the car back and trim well when fully unfurled. It's a compromise, yes, but a reasonable one I think. I sail in an area that gets steady and strong winds most of the year, so I will reef often and felt no need for a 150. I also wanted to place the track forward enough to handle the sail well when reefed. One thing to note if you're replacing the original track is the width of your car! My plan was to put my new track right over the old. But when I tried this I found that there wasn't enough space between the edge of the track and rail for the edge of the car. That's why I moved the track outboard a bit from where the original was -- probably by about an inch. This also allowed the holes on the INSIDE of the cabin to be spaced far enough from the original holes to plug them easily with new plugs. Will try to post pics tonight.
Will try to post pix later. I sail a 26D, so should be the same setup. I actually placed mine slightly forward and outboard of the originals (which I removed.) Probably 6" forward. From what I've read and experienced, placement depends a lot on your sail (of course) but also in how much wind you typically sail in. Some people actually place multiple tracks in order to dial it in. My reasons for going forward were these: - my sail's a 135, not a 150 - the track's 2-feet, so running the cars at the front of the track now let's me trim the sail well when reefed. I can pull the car back and trim well when fully unfurled. It's a compromise, yes, but a reasonable one I think. I sail in an area that gets steady and strong winds most of the year, so I will reef often and felt no need for a 150. I also wanted to place the track forward enough to handle the sail well when reefed. One thing to note if you're replacing the original track is the width of your car! My plan was to put my new track right over the old. But when I tried this I found that there wasn't enough space between the edge of the track and rail for the edge of the car. That's why I moved the track outboard a bit from where the original was -- probably by about an inch. This also allowed the holes on the INSIDE of the cabin to be spaced far enough from the original holes to plug them easily with new plugs. Will try to post pics tonight.
best location for tracks ?
I am going through the same thing. I have a new 150 furled sail too. I just bought two tacks 2 M (6'7") long with cars. I'm wondering if I should cut the tracks and mount part of the track on the coaming the rest on the coach roof. I'm not sure how far back on the coaming to mount the tracks. I see some people running a block on the old padeye that was used for the lifeline and that seems to work too. If anyone has any suggestions on how to calculate best sheeting angles please advise. Bob
I am going through the same thing. I have a new 150 furled sail too. I just bought two tacks 2 M (6'7") long with cars. I'm wondering if I should cut the tracks and mount part of the track on the coaming the rest on the coach roof. I'm not sure how far back on the coaming to mount the tracks. I see some people running a block on the old padeye that was used for the lifeline and that seems to work too. If anyone has any suggestions on how to calculate best sheeting angles please advise. Bob
sheet ropes and mast stays
Likely a dumb question (wont be the first or last) but the sheet ropes for the Genoa go outside the mast side stays but the sheet ropes for the smaller jib go inside. If you run a furled Genoa, do you end up re-threading the sheet ropes (along with possibly moving the location of the fair lead) to optimize sail shape when you furl the sail?
Likely a dumb question (wont be the first or last) but the sheet ropes for the Genoa go outside the mast side stays but the sheet ropes for the smaller jib go inside. If you run a furled Genoa, do you end up re-threading the sheet ropes (along with possibly moving the location of the fair lead) to optimize sail shape when you furl the sail?
csobabvarro end caps?
Hey old friend, are you planning on putting end caps on the T rails? I'm looking at my anality thinking broken or cut toes and hands. Just my old cautious self. Looks really good and I'm betting you'll see some performance improvement too. Steve P.
Hey old friend, are you planning on putting end caps on the T rails? I'm looking at my anality thinking broken or cut toes and hands. Just my old cautious self. Looks really good and I'm betting you'll see some performance improvement too. Steve P.
now another thing!
... is that I never thought about inside/outside the lifelines. Sheesh!. One guy said that he uses a single fairlead placed on the deck so that it imparts equal pressure on the foot and the leech of the genoa fully unfurled, that way it still works as the sail is furled. I'm thinking as the sail is furled that single line is getting longer and making the clew extend further downwind, possibly losing shape. Now you guys have introduced the placement relative to the lifelines, I just don't know where to put the tracks in that relationship. Nobody said it would be simple but it seems that if you put tracks outside the lifelines, as you furl you'll need tracks inside the lifelines too. I'm not sure, is anyone else? Thanks, Ed S.V. Las Chicas
... is that I never thought about inside/outside the lifelines. Sheesh!. One guy said that he uses a single fairlead placed on the deck so that it imparts equal pressure on the foot and the leech of the genoa fully unfurled, that way it still works as the sail is furled. I'm thinking as the sail is furled that single line is getting longer and making the clew extend further downwind, possibly losing shape. Now you guys have introduced the placement relative to the lifelines, I just don't know where to put the tracks in that relationship. Nobody said it would be simple but it seems that if you put tracks outside the lifelines, as you furl you'll need tracks inside the lifelines too. I'm not sure, is anyone else? Thanks, Ed S.V. Las Chicas
it's a problem on a Mac
Ed, I've tried to come with ways to accommodate the genoa sheet angle furled and unfurled. IMHO, it just isn't feasible the way the lifelines ans stanchion posts are placed on a Mac. The best idea I have seen was in a recent issue of Sail. The winches (this wasn't a Mac) were installed on the coaming and barbers were used to adjust the slot.
Ed, I've tried to come with ways to accommodate the genoa sheet angle furled and unfurled. IMHO, it just isn't feasible the way the lifelines ans stanchion posts are placed on a Mac. The best idea I have seen was in a recent issue of Sail. The winches (this wasn't a Mac) were installed on the coaming and barbers were used to adjust the slot.
still trying to understand this...
I wanted to bring this back up since Im thinking about a big furled genoa sometime in the future. What I understand is that with the big roller jib, people just run the sheet lines on the outside of the mast side stays using the fairlead hardware placement similar to the genoa and leave the ropes on the outside when the sail is partially furled. Seems that it must work fine as I see a lot of roller furlings on these boats. I was thinking of trying my smaller jib with one of the lines run inside the stays (like its supposed to be) and on the other side, run the sheet line on the outside of the stay to similute the partially rolled up jib sail with the lines on the outside I could then see and feel what the sail did on the two different tacks. I guess this also means that I could get the track and adjustable fair lead for the current genoa Im using now and it would all still work wonderfully when I eventually got the roller furling???
I wanted to bring this back up since Im thinking about a big furled genoa sometime in the future. What I understand is that with the big roller jib, people just run the sheet lines on the outside of the mast side stays using the fairlead hardware placement similar to the genoa and leave the ropes on the outside when the sail is partially furled. Seems that it must work fine as I see a lot of roller furlings on these boats. I was thinking of trying my smaller jib with one of the lines run inside the stays (like its supposed to be) and on the other side, run the sheet line on the outside of the stay to similute the partially rolled up jib sail with the lines on the outside I could then see and feel what the sail did on the two different tacks. I guess this also means that I could get the track and adjustable fair lead for the current genoa Im using now and it would all still work wonderfully when I eventually got the roller furling???
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