Gasoline treatments

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Sep 29, 2008
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Oday 22 Oneida Lake, Syracuse, NY
I have a small 4 stroke outboard kicker which has been giving me trouble all summer. I want to try treating the gas, but I have had all sorts of products recommended to me, namely dry gas, ethanol enzyme treatment and fuel stabilizer. Is there any harm in mixing these treatments? So far I have tried the enzyme treatment, and it didn't seem to do much. My next recourse was going to be dry gas, but I don't want to damage the engine by making some crazy concoction. Does anyone have any experience with this, or suggestions?
 

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Jun 5, 2004
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catalina 27 dana point
Get rid of the old gas. Put it in a lawnmower, an old car, anything. Modern gasoline, especially with any percentage of alcohol, doesn't last very long. The gas itself deteriorates rapidly, and alcohol is hydroscopic, and pulls water from the atmosphere. The combination is especially bad for small 4 stroke outboards with tiny jets and fuel passages in the carburetor. Use fresh fuel, don't keep it longer than about a month. You probably don't use that much, so just replace it often and most of your problems will go away.
 
Oct 2, 2006
1,517
Jboat J24 commack
I would guess STA-BIL is one of the older brands of snake oil :)

And i can say that on my inboard powerboat the E-10 stayed good enough for 18 months to take it out and use BUT thats a bit to LONG

Its somehow suppose to prevent fuel from undergoing degradation and oxidation during prolonged storage :)

On small outboards runing it out of fuel is nessary and on some brands like Tohatsu there is a port in the motor that allows you to drain the bowl without taking anything apart

BUT catching the fuel with a paper towel is a PITA
 
May 11, 2005
3,431
Seidelman S37 Slidell, La.
Outboard fuel

On small outboards the jets are teeny. Don't take much to plug them up. Use Sta-bil, or similar fuel stabilizer, and don't keep fuel long. Run carb. dry at the end of the day, each time you use the motor. Never leave fuel in the float bowl.
 
Dec 2, 2003
480
Catalina C-320 Washington, NC
Use only ethanol free gas. It dissolves the plastics in the fuel system. Always run the carb dry and drain the tank when finished. Run the engine at least once a week.

or...


Get on real friendly terms with an outboard mechanic

I am speaking from experience...that itty bitty 4-stroke OB on the itty bitty dinghy in my itty bitty avatar is presently getting its annual carb rebuild because I keep thinking ...I'll use it next week...
 
Sep 29, 2008
93
Oday 22 Oneida Lake, Syracuse, NY
Use only ethanol free gas. It dissolves the plastics in the fuel system. Always run the carb dry and drain the tank when finished. Run the engine at least once a week.

or...


Get on real friendly terms with an outboard mechanic
If you know where to buy ethanol-free gas in Syracuse, please, let me know! They just don't sell it. Since this is a lake community, not along the shore, you don't have any marinas with gas pumps. You just run down the road and bring your tank.

As for age of the gas, I ran the tank dry less than a month ago (not intentionally, ended with an interesting sail into the marina), so the fuel I have is newer than that. I do appreciate the idea of running the motor itself dry every time I leave the boat. I will definitely try that.

Thanks for all the good feedback!
 
Nov 6, 2006
10,219
Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
It is a good idea to use StaBil or a similar fuel stabilizer.. That keeps gum from forming. They are anti-oxidants.
Another thing that is good to put in is a detergent.. Something labeled "Carburetor Cleaner" or Fuel Injector Cleaner" .. Those will clean the jets and keep them clean IF there is a flow in the jet. Detergent generally will not open a plugged jet. Try to find a station that doesn’t have ethanol mixed in. Many of the independents do not have to comply to the same rules as the big guys. Make sure that you are not introducing water/dirt/grit/ non-solubles into the tank and engine. No amount of detergent or stabilizer will help a large slug of trash. Practical Sailor magazine did a test on the additives that are supposed to help ethanol laced fuels not separate.. None of the additives they tested did a very good job of keeping water from coalescing out of ethanol/gasoline..
 
Jul 25, 2009
270
Catalina 1989 C30 Mk II Herrington Harbour South, MD
Take the carb apart, clear it with compressed air, check for sludge and gum and varnish and goo, reassemble it, and then follow the instructions others have given about fresh gas.

As for leaving the bowl full or empty, it is debatable how useful it is. Full, the argument is that the fuel evaporates and forms gum or varnish, and any ethanol takes up moisture from the air. Empty, the air space for collecting moisture becomes larger and you end up more likely to condense more water out of the air into the carb. Which is more damaging hasn't been conclusively proven to my satisfaction.

Your best bet is to do what you can to minimize as many of these effects as possible.

1. If you have an external tank, take it (and the hose) home with you and if possible store it somewhere that doesn't see a lot of temperature fluctuation or a lot of high temperatures. Store it with the cap on tight and the vent closed.

2. When you are tying up and stowing everything, make absolutely certain your throttle is all the way off and the choke isn't on. This will cut down on air circulation and reduce the likelihood of getting moisture in the carb bowl whether you ran it dry or not.

3. Out with the old gas, clean the tank, in with new, no ethanol gas.

4. Every now and then when you're out on the water under power, run it at full throttle a little while to help keep those jets and nozzles and galleries in the carb clean.
 
Sep 25, 2008
7,695
Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
If you know where to buy ethanol-free gas in Syracuse, please, let me know! They just don't sell it.

This is a common concern ( outboard fuel contamination).

Like most towns or cities, the Syracuse area is full of small airports, any of which sells ethanol- free gas. For many of us, local gas stations also sell so-called racing fuel which is also ethanol-free. It isn't too hard to find it if you know where to look.

None of the fuel additives can entirely preclude the effects of ethanol and many serve only to make you feel good. Some can potentially do more harm than good, e.g., "dry gas being one which contains methanol. If you cannot keep your fuel fresh, find an AV gas (aviation gas) source and you will be right.
 
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Seafoam...

I have a small 4 stroke outboard kicker which has been giving me trouble all summer. I want to try treating the gas, but I have had all sorts of products recommended to me, namely dry gas, ethanol enzyme treatment and fuel stabilizer. Is there any harm in mixing these treatments? So far I have tried the enzyme treatment, and it didn't seem to do much. My next recourse was going to be dry gas, but I don't want to damage the engine by making some crazy concoction. Does anyone have any experience with this, or suggestions?
I didn't see where anyone recommended Seafoam in the other posts so I'm tossing that in. Run some Seafoam through the carb. Magic elixer... Dissolves varnish and sludge. I put a shot in per gallon in the gas I use for the lawn mower, weed eater, outboard, etc.
 
Jul 28, 2010
914
Boston Whaler Montauk New Orleans
I second Sullrich re the SeaFoam. On recommendations, I did a cleanout on my outboard. Use 1 can Sea Foam with 3 gallons gasoline (I used a separate small tank). Run your motor for 15 minutes, then shut it down for 15 minutes, run for 15, then off for 15. Do this at least 5 times. It will smoke like the dickens at first, but it really cleans out the carbon. After that, I use a maintenance dose of Sea Foam, and Stabil as well.
 
Nov 19, 2008
2,129
Catalina C-22 MK-II Parrish, FL
Ditto on Stabil and Seafoam.......used it for years and never had a fuel or carb problem, even after storing lawn equipment over the winter,(when we lived where there was a winter).

Don
 
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