Future of sailing

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Mar 25, 2011
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I spent the summer looking but still haven't pulled the trigger on a boat. You folks have been very helpful with questions. I hesitate to ask this downer question to enthusiasts, but is sailing dying? I know the economy is in the tank and everything is down. But will sailboat buying recover with the economy. Will there be anyone to buy my boat in 5 years? I'm afraid we live in a time when people want quick, easy entertainment with no learning curve. Turn the key and hit the gas (when not on Facebook).

FYI I'm currently considering a Hunter 336. But I'll probably continue lurking in the shadows and never pull the trigger.
 
Jun 2, 2004
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Hunter 37-cutter, '79 41 23' 30"N 82 33' 20"W--------Huron, OH
Sailing should never be about the future value of the boat. If you love being on the water there is no better way than sailing. I bought an old boat for $30,000. in 1998. I easily have that much in it. I never considered whether I would get my money back.
 
Jul 27, 2011
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Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
With the eventual fading of the "baby boomer" generation we see a vacuum in its wake in many areas, both professional, as well as personal and recreational. The BB generation is probably the richest generation in the history of the world, and as it fades, so will many of the activities it valued, such as sailing, along with several other "outdoorsy" types of endeavors. If you want a boat, buy one that you can afford to hold, to maintain, even to lose as a valuable asset, if that is the ultimate outcome. For many, a sailboat is what one might call "replacement entertainment", in that it takes the place of other things you might spend your money on for entertainment. Things like expensive vacations, flashy or unnecessarily expensive cars (like having a Hummer to drive to work and back but never to take off-road in the mountains of Afghanistan), overpriced dinners out two or three times a week, everything-service cell phones, TV, internet/computer stuff that run hundreds of $ per month. Throw all or most of that stuff out and you have a slip and boat insurance, etc., and maybe a boat payment to boot. It's all about choices. You'll never "get your money back" on a boat, anymore than you'd ever get your money back on a European vacation for the family. It's the experience that you're paying for.
 
Oct 26, 2005
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- - Satellite Beach, FL.
If you don't "pull the trigger" it's your loss.
It's hell to look back and regret not having taken a shot at something you really wanted to do.
 

KD3PC

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Sep 25, 2008
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boatless rainbow Callao, VA
if the boat is to be "entertainment" then I would pass on the purchase....for us it was the "lifestyle" and future that we wanted...

It was not an investment, it was our home, our passion and what we wanted...and was well worth what we had in her. Just as houses used to be. You have to LIVE somewhere and unless you ARE living, you are dying one day at a time.

If it isn't yours, then pass. It may be a lot more than 5 years before there are people able and willing to buy boats...but that will be the case for houses, expensive cars, RVs, second homes, etc. It is a buyers market right now, and for a very few $$, one can their choice of fine boats.

IMHO, Sailing will never die, it may not be the show of the next generation, but it will be there....a timeless passion for many.
 

derfus

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Oct 26, 2009
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Oday Oday 28, Mac-25 Presque Isle Marina, Erie, PA
In the end it's not what we did, but rather what we did not do is what we regret the most.
other wise said...buy the damn boat and live large.
 
Sep 9, 2011
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Catalina 320 Alameda
Suggest you join a sailing club and charter from their fleet. You will be money ahead.
 
Nov 6, 2006
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Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
If ya like outdoorsy and like tinkering and thinking and learning lots of new stuff, don't worry about whether someone else is going to not sail.. Sailing has been pronounced to be on its last legs since the steam engine was invented.. I have seen two booms and busts in the sport in the 40 years or so that I have been aware .. I still meet interesting and interested folks around boats.. and I still find it fun .. Tough step to take, and no one can really say how you will react.. it is a lot of committment and a substantial bunch of dollars.. but many...like me.... believe the stimulation and beauty of the world is good to be out and about in !! Good luck on the decision, wisdom can be tough to come by sometimes..
 
Mar 2, 2011
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Compac 14 Charleston, SC
If you're worried about a boat holding it's value, buy something older but well cared for and already well equipped. Sailboats like many other things depreciate in value for 10-15 years then it's all dependent on condition and popularity or a certain make/model.

Consider a late 80's to early 90's boat if resale value is such a big concern. Don't think you can buy a sailboat as an "investment" that will go up in value. That logic is simply wishful thinking. There are sailboats for any budget, don't get scared about spending too much, there are good cheap boats out there too not just shiny newer ones.

Go sailing....Be happy!
 
Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Wait...wait!!!

After all these years you guys are finally saying you're not in it for the money!?!
 
Feb 10, 2004
4,133
Hunter 40.5 Warwick, RI
Wait...wait!!!

After all these years you guys are finally saying you're not in it for the money!?!
Well, for the record- I'm in it for the money.

Over all the years, I have made a small fortune with my boat. Of course I started with a large fortune...
 
Mar 25, 2011
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I'm afraid I biased the direction of the comments with the 'what if I want to sell' comment. I meant it as a friendly discussion about the future of sailing. What others think, demographics, etc.. For those who've been around a long time, has the popularity ebbed and flowed or are we in a long term downtrend. This has been a dream of mine for about 30 years(now my wife's as well). When I buy I plan to own for a long time.
 
Feb 6, 2009
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Hunter 40 Camano Island
When I turned 50, I took some savings and bought another bigger boat.

I had planned to wait until retirement, and hope that I could afford it. However, I realized I could not afford it and went and did it anyway. The spouse did not really enjoy the smaller boat as much, and it was uncomfortable to use as an in town apt.

SO, We bought it anyway. figuring, we have our health now, and can enjoy it now, and 65 is guaranteed to no one, especially chronic overworked/overcommuting persons such as myself who spend too much time at a desk, and not enough time doing pushaways fromn the table.

I am still young and limber enough to enjoy being deck monkey, getting spray in my face, listening to the birds.

No one is going to starve to death if I play on the boat. Tomorrow is promised to no one, and it helps me treat others better, when I come back from escaping.

Hell, dont just pull the trigger man, load that magazine, fix yer sights, and keep firing till ya bag one. a 336 is as good a boat as any!!!

There is always going to be a better deal somewhere........however you will be out sailing when that other deal comes by. Enjoy
 
Nov 8, 2009
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Hunter 386LE San Fancisco
Sailing does not appear to be dying and sailboat purchases are not dead in San Francisco. I purchased my second sailboat last February and sold my first sailboat, a 1987 Hunter 31, 10 days later. In the last six months 4 of my sailing friends purchased sailboats of all sizes (28.5 – 56 feet) and prices ($20,000 – $150,000) and another is currently shopping for a 38+ foot sailboat. A couple of these sold their Harley Davidson motorcycles because they would rather sail than risk riding a motorcycle on the streets.

We buy boats to camp on the water, sail with friends, hang out with sailors and yacht clubs, race and sail to new/old destinations. Go for it!! You will never regret it. I haven’t.

Don’t worry about selling your sailboat if you keep your boat current. There will always be a buyer for a well maintained sailboat in my opinion.
 
Jun 2, 2004
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Hunter 37-cutter, '79 41 23' 30"N 82 33' 20"W--------Huron, OH
Steve, I think we took it as a "friendly discussion". But I still say "so what"? Who cares if there is a downward trend? Less boats in my way or more friends wanting to sail because they don't have theirs any longer. You will get a better deal if there really is a diminished interest in sailing. Like the market, buy low and sell high. But if the high never comes you will have had all that fun. I kick myself every day for waiting until I was 57 to buy my first sailboat. Now at 69 those have been some of the best years of my life.
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,186
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
Ebb & Flow

I purchased three of my six sailboats in recessions. Understand that if you are working at a good steady job, it's your good fortune and the recession is someone else's. I sold those boat later for very good prices, all somewhat more than I paid for them but not for what I had into them overall. They were improved from a cosmetic and functional aspect. All three sold quickly, too.

I remember people asking the same question you are asking now, as slips opened up, boat manufacturers closed, brokers tanked and suppliers went out of business. Still, they did come back.

Here is my guess: we are in a turbulent economic period and will be for another couple of years. There is a recovery underway, but people are only incrementally getting into luxury and recreational purchases ever so slowly. Confidence will build over time and the sailboat market will respond.

The new boat market will continue to compete with the used market simply because there are so many quality, inexpensive used boats in the market. The good news is that this provides an economical entry point for new sailors, more so than years ago.

Relative to demographics, there is an aging of the population which would be much more pronounced were it not for immigration. Here on the west coast, there is an increasing interest in boating generally among immigrant populations, some of it into sailing, more into power. Regardless, that will fuel continued interest in waterborne recreation. As far as younger families, I think sailing is still a valued family oriented recreational activity that will continue despite competition from other outdoor recreation. However, their discretionary income needs to build first. I do not, however, expect there to be substantial growth in sailing of larger boats, however, owing to restrictions on new marina construction, increasing cost of ownership owing to environmental threat mitigation and the availability of a large pre-owned market.

At least that's my take on it. FWIW, I was going to start a new thread on a similar topic before I saw yours. Interestingly, last year, some brokers commented on how hard it was to get listings. I thought that was just hype, but I have been trolled by no less that three brokers this month asking for a listing on my boat. I have seen the for sale ads in local periodicals vastly diminish; I thought it was just migration to internet sales sources, but something is going on. IMHO, I'm thinking that a lot of people are simply sitting on the boat they have vs. moving up for a variety of reasons.
 

cwkemp

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Feb 17, 2010
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Catalina 22 Lakes George, Sacandaga, Saratoga, Champlain
I spent the summer looking but still haven't pulled the trigger on a boat. You folks have been very helpful with questions. I hesitate to ask this downer question to enthusiasts, but is sailing dying? I know the economy is in the tank and everything is down. But will sailboat buying recover with the economy. Will there be anyone to buy my boat in 5 years? I'm afraid we live in a time when people want quick, easy entertainment with no learning curve. Turn the key and hit the gas (when not on Facebook).

FYI I'm currently considering a Hunter 336. But I'll probably continue lurking in the shadows and never pull the trigger.
Stevestk,
The decline of the popularity of sailing would certainly not keep me from doing it however I could afford.
I'm curious about your perspective. Are you already a sailor and are moving to a live aboard lifestyle or are you considering "trying out" sailing as a recreational activity?
At any rate, I don't think one could approach the issue without considering that you will likely be disposing of some "disposable" income.

Clint
 
Mar 25, 2011
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A little of topic but people talk about a buyers market. That doesn't do me a lot of good if I can't tell going sales prices on specific models/years. From what I've read, sales pricing information available to the public is inaccurate. Without that, all I have is list price info. I don't care about getting a great price, but I'd sure like to get a decent one. Suggestions?
 
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