Fuel pump timing this weekend...

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Feb 1, 2009
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I am going to try to do the fuel injector timing this weekend on my MD6A. Can anyone tell me where the marks are on the flywheel and block? I have looked for these marks and can not find them. brbr

Also, It says I need to see the valves rock, so I need to remove the valve cover? brbr

Thanks,br
groundhogbr
ps. below is copied from the shop manual and mentions the marks I am referring to.brbr75. Adjusting the BOSCH injection pumpbr
a. Turn over the engine until the valves in cylinderbr
No. 2 ?rock?. Continue to turn over the engine inbr
the normal direction of rotation until marking 10br
on flywheel coincides with the marking on thebr
block.br
b. Remove the pump inspection cover and checkbr
that the marking (1) coincides exactly with thebr
pointer (2). Adjustments are made by slackeningbr
the pump securing nuts and turning the pump.br
c. Tighten the nuts.br
d. Check the setting by turning over the engine 1/4br
turn in the opposite direction of rotation, thenbr
back again to the ?10,? marking on the flywheel.br
Check that the marking (1) and the pointer (2)br
still coincide.br
e. Fit the inspection cover with the rubber gasket.brbr

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Dec 11, 2007
179
- - port st. lucie,fl.
groundhog-
On the front of the block just above the flywheel is a raised boss
with a point. That is your mark. The mark on the flywheel is
probably obscured by paint.
Richard v1812
 
May 30, 2006
1,075
Well, br
I did something like a "/ C" and then about 3-4 cm from that I saw something like a "9" and "B" maybe?brbr

I looked really hard at that / C and tried to make it into a 1 0, but I'm pretty sure it's not.brbr

I saw the raised metal thing on the block with something that, if i use my imagination, it couldbe a point.brbr

So, If I understand this, I will remove the valve cover (which is the cover with the oil cap), move the flywheel (which is the wheel with the belts on it) just until the rocker #2 is just perfectly in the middle of it's position. Then I will either find or make a mark at the top of the flywheel which will be .. Zero degrees?brbr

Then, I measure the radius and calculate the circumference of the flywheel, divide by 36. Move the flywheel this distance in it's normal direction and make another mark for 10 degrees.brbr

I guess this is where the fuel for #2 is supposed to start squirting.brbr

I do the gear and pump adjustment (I guess I'll figure this out when I am actually doing it?) to this flywheel setting.brbr

Which is cylinder #2?brbr

Will it be obvious where the middle point in the valve rock is? Is the middle point the right point or just when it opens or just when it closes?brbr

WHen they talk about adjusting the pump, you just move the whole pump a bit? You don't play with the gears at all do you?brbr

Will I need to replace gaskets? Will the standard automotive cut-your-own gasket material be ok?brbr

Thanks so much for your help.br
groundhogbrbr
 
May 30, 2006
1,075
And one more thing that is on my mind. br
My compression test showed 400 psi which I belive is high. Think 330-350 is supposed to be normal?brbr

Anyway, how do you get high compression? THe only think I can think of is that you start with a motor that has good rings and stuff, then you add LOTS of carbon to the point that you reduce the volume of space in the cylinder.brbr

If this is the case, and I try to do a fuel timing procedure, will I be doing it accurately? Will I even find the sweet spot for the timing if I use the knocking sound as a monitor to key off of.brbr

ghbrbr
 
May 30, 2006
1,075
Well, this is what happened... brbr

I found the "10" mark. So I lined it up with the mark on the block. brbr

Then I removed the inspection cover on the fuel pump to see the mark. It seems to me that it was lined up fine. brbr

Somebody mentioned that you can be 180 degrees off and still have the marks line up? Does that make sense and if so, is it possible my MD6A has this problem? brbr

THe other thing I was wondering, is it possible that the marks can be lined up and because of gear wear or something, the timing is still be off? brbr

Then, I read this other simplified procedure for adjusting the timing, where you just loosten and twist the fuel pump and listen for the engine sound and inspect the exhaust smoke. Well, when looking at the mounting bolts for the fuel pump, it seems to be twisted clockwise (looking from flywheel side) as far as possible already. brbr

So basically, nothing was done to the engine. It still smokes light smoke all the time, and black smoke if you ask for more than 1/2 thottle. Not much power. brbr

On the fuel pump adjustment. You know it really doesn't seem to give you much adjustablity. It looks like you can only move the fuel pump like 1/4 inch. The left hand bolt is slotted, and the right side (the engine side) seems to be not slotted. So that tiny bit of adjustment can make that much difference? brbr

Thanks for any observations.. br
ghbrbr
 
Dec 11, 2007
179
- - port st. lucie,fl.
-gh-
Try backing off on the injector pump and see what happens.
Also, what size prop do you have? I think I have the same setup as
you and mine is 14dia8pitch.
Richard, v1812

-- In AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com, "groundhog" groundhog1rb@...
wrote:
 
Oct 31, 2019
163
I claim no credit for this advice - the following notes were copied & pasted from a post on this very Forum a few years ago; but it worked for me, so I thought that I\'d copy and paste them back again:

It\'s fairly easy to do. First you take a scribe or pointed sharp object and scratch the pump and engine well to mark where the pump is now. Since left and right are easily confused depending on how you look at the engine and when discussing rotation I use a simpler explanation.

The first 3-4 MD6A I set I used all the correct timing procedure, marks,> rotation and counter rotation check again bla bla bla and followed the book. This is a long and lengthy process and expensive to have done because of the time consumed. When they were finished I looked at the results and played with them. I determined there was a fairly large "comfort zone" in timing that the MD6A\'s were happy with, performed well and smoked little to none.

If your timing got a bit behind you suddenly get mass smoke(black) when working hard, slight smoke (grey/white) when cold and sometimes even when warm at idle. If you get a bit ahead you get "kick back" when trying to start and a very loud and obnoxious diesel knock that would make an old Yanmar YSB-12 jealous. Anyplace in the middle is fine, maybe not perfect but the Volvo will be happy and so will you.

To advance the timing simply loosen the nuts that hold the pump enough that you can use a large set of channel locks or a rubber or plastic hammer, or crowbar (whatever works) and twist or tap it the opposite direction of your raw water pump rotation. Just pull the cover on the raw water pump and look at the impeller to determine which way it is turning (it never hurts to look at it anyway) and to advance the timing move the pump the OPPOSITE direction.

Only slightly move the pump enough to tell you moved it. Now snug the nuts back to almost full torque and give it a work right there at the
dock. Did the smoke clear up some? Better power? Slightly more pronounced diesel knock? If so repeat the process until you reach the point where you can have full throttle and advance the combi enough to pull the engine down a bit before you see any signs of black smoke.


Normally I\'ll start mine up, allow it to warm up then advance the combi to full speed of the engine. At this point I advance the combi
slowly until I hear the engine working hard and check the exhaust. There should be no smoke or only the slightest hint of smoke but not objectionable. At that time I will advance the combi until I actually pull the engine down 100-200 rpm from full speed and then you should see some smoke even with a new MD6A or 6B.

Remember your engine is working alot harder tied to the dock at full prop pitch than it would be underway so underway there will be less
smoke.


I talked a fellow through this on his mobile/cell phone about 3 months ago. It took him more time to find his tools etc than it did to set his timing.

On his first advance almost all the smoke was gone and it started
better. He quit right there and was happy even before more tweaking. His mechanic had told him days before he needed injectors, injection pump work and gave him a $2100 USD estimate. In the end it cost him 2 hours of his time and a 40 minute long distance call to me. This guy is a realtor and his mechanical experience prior to this was 3 lawn ower spark plugs and an automotive oil change.

Just remember you CAN’T screw this up. If it gets to be too much, you get cold feet, you decide to let the mechanic do it or whatever just twist the pump back to your marks you made and tighten it back down, no harm done.

The only problems I\'ve had with helping people through email or the phone were they forgot to tighten the pump back down before trying to start it or never loosened it enough to move easily and had a hard time adjusting it.

For all of you with different brands of diesels it is also this easy.
Even if you don’t know which way to spin the pump for advance it\'s easily determined. Mark it, Move it slightly and start it. If you advanced it the diesel knock will always be more pronounced and the engine more peppy (but don’t do it unless you have the smoke described above) if you retarded it the start may be harder and the smoke will definitely show up or increase. Again if you think it\'s not right put it back to your marks and tighten it down,no harm done.


Lastly with this in hand, and your knowledge you can ask your mechanic to do it. Since you know now what he has to do, and how he has to do it, he\'ll have a hard time riding the clock or "pumping up" the problem or the work. It should NEVER take more than 2 hours of his time.


Claude

I hope it proves as helpful to you as it was to me,

Bob.

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Volvo MD6A fuel injection pump flywheel timing marks. Here is a photo of the #10 mark on the flywheel, and the alignment mark on the block:

 
Mar 16, 2012
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Bob, Thank you for posting...your timing of this information has a direct benefit to making my life much simpler indeed. -Bruce of My Liberty Bay