Fuel filter size

Clydo

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May 28, 2013
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Catalina C310 SF Bay/Delta
My maintenance records show for my M25 XPB eng Racor R 15 T fuel water Seperator
used 30 micron filter. When ordered replacement part guy sent me 10 micron filter.
I did not specify size when ordered. Off hand can't remember what size eng fuel filter.
Any thoughts on what fuel water separator size should be?

Thank you.


Clyde Thorington
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Mar 6, 2008
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Catalina 1999 C36 MKII #1787 Coyote Point Marina, CA.
On my c36 primary fuel/water separator it is 2 micron. The engine fuel filter is 10 micron. No it does not make sense. The filter on electric fuel pump is 80 micron. Engine is M35B.
 
Jan 4, 2006
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Hunter 310 West Vancouver, B.C.
Seems the most common arrangement is 10 micron in each filter.

My Yanmar guy is an endless fount of information but says he has never received an answer to what the rating of the engine mounted, #2 filter is. He finally came to the conclusion that Yanmar does not know what it is either.
 
Nov 22, 2011
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Ericson 26-2 San Pedro, CA
Don't use a 2-micron filter anywhere in the system. It is too hard on the fuel pump. MaineSail had some good information on that, but I don't have it in front of me just now.
 
Apr 10, 2010
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Catalina 310 166 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
On my 2002 310, I have a 10 micron racor primary, then a 2 micron secondary then finally on the electric fuel pump an 80 micron. The last one I suppose is to stop the big stuff that gets through the first two filters. Also when taking fuel I pour the fuel through a water catching funnel filter. It's another preventative measure that works and relatively cheap to implement. You can never go wrong following the advice on Maine sail website on this and other matters he writes about.
 

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Oct 22, 2014
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CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
Let's discuss this Service bulletin from FEB 2003. It specifies a new fuel pump inlet filter PN# 048076. The label on the part indicates an 80 micron rating.
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The bulletin recommends a Primary water separator filter not smaller than 10 microns.

From the Parts manual there is a

Universal Marine Power 298854 Fuel Filter.
Fuel filter fits most Wetserbeke and Universal model generators.
Features:
  • Thread: M20 x 1.5
  • Type: Spin On
  • This Cross reference data was found on a Marine Diesel supplier's site.
    BrandUniversal Marine Power
    Cross Reference / SpecsBALDWIN
    • BF940
    BETA MARINE
    • 211-60210
    CARQUEST
    • 86390
    DONALDSON
    • P550127
    FLEETGUARD
    • FF5226
    FRAM
    • P7514
    HASTINGS
    • FF1119
    KUBOTA
    • 15221-43080
    • 15221-43081
    WIX
    • 33390
    <23401-1133> <834011133>
 
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Nov 22, 2011
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Ericson 26-2 San Pedro, CA
On my 2002 310, I have a 10 micron racor primary, then a 2 micron secondary then finally on the electric fuel pump an 80 micron. ...You can never go wrong following the advice on Maine sail website on this and other matters he writes about.
Then in that case you will swap out that 2-micron secondary for something larger. MaineSail says that in his experience it is not uncommon for fuel pumps to fail prematurely because they have to work harder with a 2 micron in the line.
 
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Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Then in that case you will swap out that 2-micron secondary for something larger. MaineSail says that in his experience it is not uncommon for fuel pumps to fail prematurely because they have to work harder with a 2 micron in the line.
I disagree about the swap and it's one of the only times I've ever disagreed with Maine Sail; if you find it please post a link to it.

I just finished running a 2 micron Racor for over 900 hours, i.e., over eight years on my Universal M25. When removed and inspected it was still pristine. The REASON is that the fuel flow ratings are for much higher volume than our small diesels ever use.

Look, folks, this argument comes up so often it's why I wrote those links. Two basic choices: 1) 2 micron primary 'cuz they are usually much easier access than the one on your engine and change the engine filter less often; 2) anything less efficient that would "load up" the engine filter sooner - which seems counter-productive to me.

And for the past decade or six, those engine filters have been reliably reported to be somewhere between 25 and 30 micron, Which makes a 2 micron primary even more reasonable. And screw the fuel pump filters, because they should be after the primary anyway.

Your boat, your choice. :)
 
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Sep 30, 2016
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Island Packet IP 44 Ventura, CA
Maybe im getting the terminology mixed up here, but why would you ever flow from a smaller micron to a larger micron filter?
 
Jun 11, 2004
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Oday 31 Redondo Beach
I disagree about the swap and it's one of the only times I've ever disagreed with Maine Sail; if you find it please post a link to it.

I just finished running a 2 micron Racor for over 900 hours, i.e., over eight years on my Universal M25. When removed and inspected it was still pristine. The REASON is that the fuel flow ratings are for much higher volume than our small diesels ever use.

Look, folks, this argument comes up so often it's why I wrote those links. Two basic choices: 1) 2 micron primary 'cuz they are usually much easier access than the one on your engine and change the engine filter less often; 2) anything less efficient that would "load up" the engine filter sooner - which seems counter-productive to me.

And for the past decade or six, those engine filters have been reliably reported to be somewhere between 25 and 30 micron, Which makes a 2 micron primary even more reasonable. And screw the fuel pump filters, because they should be after the primary anyway.

Your boat, your choice. :)
Stu, Maine Sail's thnking about this is a little bit covered in his response to this post. Is that what you wanted a link to?

May 04, 2016, 04:18:42 AM

Quote from: Jim Hardesty on May 02, 2016, 04:39:01 AM
I hope someone can explain my ongoing experience with my factory set of filters on my 2001 MKll. I use a 2 micron Racor filter element, R15s, and a Universal factory filter spin on, or a Wix 33390. The first filter to plug is the always the factory spin on. The max engine rpms will start to drop, then if I change the on the engine, spin on, filter the engine will run normal again. This happens using a variety of filters on the engine, spin on. Neither filter looks dirty, or to have water in them. The Racor bowel looks clean. My logic says that the first filter should get dirty first. Also I think that the Racor 2 micron is much finer filtering than the spin on.
Now I change the spin on every season and the Racor every 2 seasons. A few times I've had to change filters during the season. I use 2 or 3 tanks of fuel each seasons. Seems like not much fuel being filtered to dirty a filter. I do have confidence that the fuel I buy is clean.
Something just doesn't seem right to me.
Jim
Something is wrong with either how it is plumbed or the filter or filter head itself. A 2μm primary should load up well before the secondary even begins to discolor. You may also have an air leak. Even with really dirty fuel it takes a long while to plug a secondary 15-17μm filter... If you're not pulling a vacuum, you may want to insert a drag needle vac gauge after the secondary temporarily, then the system is not restricted....

Primary filters should ideally be 10μm or even 30μm there is no need for 2μm unless you are running a common rail diesel and it only works the lift pump harder over its life and leads to premature clogging and high vacuum.... 2μm primaries can actually be dangerous because they can plug significantly faster than owners expect. I had one customer nearly loose his boat to a lee shore when his 2μm plugged very unexpectedly up off Cape Breton Island in NS. If you want clean fuel, clean the tank and install a polishing system, you could run this to 2μm if you wanted, and run a 10μm primary.

I know I have repeated this story many times but.....

Having been on a delivery when the engine failed at multiple inopportune times due to a "new", owner stated less than three weeks, 2μm filter I propose that this can be as much of a safety issue as anything. Most boaters really don't know just how clean the fuel tank is. Clean tanks should be a first priority but in certain situations, like this delivery, it's not always possible.

We did this delivery on a Down East style boat that had essentially been used as a floating condo. The fuel was in horrible shape but this delivery was well before commercial tank cleaners existed as a business. The new owner stocked if for the delivery, with a case of 2μm Racor 900 series filters. This guy pretty much bought everything by the case but that is another story....

Long and short is we went through all the 2μm filters in 1/4 of the trip. We stopped and bought some 30μm filters and we made it all the way to Maine, in 4-8 foot seas, on a single 30μm filter. The big diesel engine ran perfectly.

-Maine Sail
Casco Bay, ME
Boat - CS-36T

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