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Nov 30, 2007
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Hunter 36 Forked River, NJ
I've got a new-to-me 99 C-28 mkII, and along the way to getting to her heard my share of theories regarding head maintenance and woes. I previously sailed a Hunter 23 with a portable head, so I've got no experience to draw upon. Two different sailors told me that salt water is what causes stink in the holding tank and ultimately throughout a boat. One solution was to use the flexible faucet/shower head from the sink to flush the head bowl, and never draw salt water for this purpose. The other cleverly devised an extra fresh water reservoir which bypassed the sea water intake. I'd just like to hear some thoughts - first on the stink theory, and secondly, how some other sailing bretheren deal with it?
 
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Bob V

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There is a problem with smell on the salt water intake for flushing water when the head is not used for some time. My solution to this problem is to flush that water out into the holding tank before we have guest on board. The holding tank odors are easy to control. Raritan makes a couple of great products, KO stands for Kills Odors and CP stands for Cleans Potties. If we are spending time on the boat, like this week, the odor is gone after the first flush (or two) that happened 4 days ago. In my case, there is no motivation to find a more drastic solution such as seperate tank for fresh flushing water. I just make sure that I flush out the stagnant water before my crew and/or guests arrive.
 
Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
You should buy Peggie's book

up at the top of the forum you posted your thread in. It'll answer all your questions, and you'll have many, many more in "managing" your new system. Bob's right about the smell.
 
Dec 25, 2000
5,939
Hunter Passage 42 Shelter Bay, WA
We've been using our raw sea water head system...

for several years and we do not have a stink issue. If the boat has been unused for a period of time there is an odor from the raw water that has been sitting in the line between the sea cock and head macerator pump. It quickly dissipates with the first flush. I wrote an article awhile ago about our first experience upon purchasing Belle-Vie. Both heads flushed normal during the survey. Keep in mind our new boat (91 model year that we purchased in 2002) spent most of her time at the dock with little to no use for several years. The admiral and I had been cleaning below decks to get Belle-Vie ship shape. We cleaned and checked the forward head and it worked normal, except for a loud thump beneath the admiral's feet, while sitting in the starboard setee. Did the same with the aft head. The first time it flushed fine, then it would not discharge; the water just swirled in the bowl. I borrowed a plunger from my neighbor thinking the discharge line was plugged, but to no avail. So, I pulled the discharge line from the head, and after releasing a considerable amount of compressed air, went about attaching a city water hose to the line to clear it. The first time it seemed to clean it out after some rumbling. Again, it released compressed air when I disconnected the city water line. I tried it one more time just to make sure. I remembered reading a forum article about plugged holding tank vents, so I pulled the starboard sole board covering the holding tank and disconnected the vent line from the tank. I then connected the city water line to the vent hose and looked to see if anything was coming out of the scupper. Nothing! Nada! Zip! I took a small screw driver, and hanging over the side, inserted it into the scupper and gently poked at the opening. First I got a hiss, then a whoosh of water as the pressure blew out some little critter's nest or dried sludge that had plugged the opening. After reconnecting the vent and discharge lines, I checked the heads again and both worked like a charm. Our standard procedure now is to follow Peggie Hall's advice: 1. Flush one gallon of fresh water through each head to clear out the discharge line. 2. Pump out tank, then fill with fresh water. 3. Pump out tank then fill with about four gallons of fresh water and repeat until clear water pumps out. 4. Using a special city water hose adapter that fits over the vent scupper I force fresh water back through the vent line to make sure that it is clear. 5. Add another four gallons of water and pump out again; repeat until clear water pumps out. 6. Flush each head with one quart of Odorlos mix. Shortly after solving the plugged vent scupper problem the same symptom appeared again. This time it was plugged at the tank. Our SS tank has a 1/4 inch bronze elbow that the vent line clamps to. This elbow was plugged with a calcified material. I used a bent wire coat hanger to auger out this material. As a closing note, thanks to those who have contributed articles to this forum, and especially to Ms. Peggie Hall. They have been very helpful to me in solving Belle-Vie's mostly minor problems. Belle-Vie's holding tank and head system remains trouble free after five years of cruising the PNW waters. Terry
 
Nov 12, 2006
256
Catalina 36 Bainbridge Island
Head Smell

That is my experience as well. The first flush, maybe two, after a week or so will have a sulphur smell due to the critters in the sea water dying in the hose. after that there is no smell in the head. I have found that I can pump most of the water out of the intake line by closing the through hull and continuing to pump until no more water enters the head. This may not work on all heads. The holding tank is going to smell no matter what type of flush water you use if you don't take care of it while it is holding a "load".
 
Dec 25, 2000
5,939
Hunter Passage 42 Shelter Bay, WA
As a foot note, holding tanks normally do not stink...

unless they leak or the tank vent line is plugged forcing gases back through the head. Some have gone to the trouble of converting from raw water to fresh water flushing and if that's what makes you happy, go for it. IMHO it is unnecessary. I have followed Peggie Hall's advice regarding tank maintenance, which I covered in my previous post. During our extended cruises we do not have any kind of head system stink in our boat. Terry
 
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