Freon Volume for Recharge?

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Richard Kollmann, Kollmann Marine Inc.

RE: Refrigerant Volume

Refrigerant 134a is not a mix. It is a pure refrigerant like R12 and R22. The only time a refrigerant might be called a mix is when it is blended from more than one refrigerant such as R404a - a new high pressure refrigerant used in low temperature freezers. When you say large Adler Barbour, I assume it is their 12 volt system. Adler Barbour did take over the Crosby line of boat refrigeration for a while, those were much larger systems than their Cold Machine line. Adding ¾ of a pound of refrigerant to a Cold or Super Cold Machine indicates there is now two problems. The first problem would be that the system lost all its refrigerant and may now contain air and moisture. The second problem is the system now is overcharged and will not operate properly. Most of these small refrigeration systems hold from 3 to 5 ounces of refrigerant. Over-charging can be determined by frost on the return refrigerant line outside the refrigerated box and a higher current draw than normal. Because the original leak was not found and corrected, you will pay for another service call in the near future.
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,184
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
My refrigeration technician said he added ¾ pound of “134-mix”. What is that and does ¾ pound sound like a lot for a larger AB system? He said he tightened up the connections but found no leaks.
 
Dec 2, 2003
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Rick,

Seriously, don't call that 'technician' again. When your system dies again, (soon) be sure you have lined up someone who knows what they are doing. Ask around. They should have some way to find a leak too. I carry an electronic detector but there are several ways to find leaks. But the tech has got to LOOK. What did that guy charge you for your pound of 'charge'?
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,184
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
Dick and Fred

Dick: the system is an A-B DCM12, BD 2.5 compressor. I pulled her apart, checked the fans and voltage and amp draw; all OK. There was just enough dust in the condenser fins to know he hadn't checked it. I have a suspicion it was overcharged. There is a Schrader valve on the unit so I assume I can check the pressure there. I'm sure your book will give me the info I need, but it sounds like the system will have to be evacuated of the 134 he put in and refilled with R12. (The compressor is stalling after start up now. You gave me some suggestions on another post.) BTW, it has cold plates, not evaporators. Fred: it cost me $140 for the service call. The outfit I called has a good reputation and I've used them before, but the guy that came out wasn't the tech who I had previously. Frankly, he sounded like he hadn't worked on boats much because of the questions he asked. I was told "he's not there anymore" so I suspect my guy is running around tidying up his messes. I'll be there when the tech comes next time! And, you can bet only if I can't take care of it myself. Rick D.
 
Dec 2, 2003
4,245
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Rick, 134 and R12 are NOT interchangeable.

With your system, it's one or the other. Call the company that employed that turkey tech and tell them the problem. They should make it right.
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,184
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
Just Got Kollmann's Book

..and I can see that there is no such thing as a "134 mix" that he noted on the invoice. Wonder what he put in there? Ugh. Rick D.
 
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