Hi all - in the interest of improving our comfort when the weather decides not to cooperate, I took my better half out to get some wet weather gear for the coming season. We ended up selecting Helly Hansen for her, which was aesthetically pleasing and looked like good quality stuff at a reasonable price. I picked up a jacket which I am considering returning for something more substantial and I was wondering if anyone has any strong views on the following questions: 1. Name brands vs generic stuff - what to look for. 2. Off shore vs coastal - off-shore seems ugly and stiff, coastal seems thin and not so warm. 3. Should I be looking at more than one set of gear for various conditions? I live on the Atlantic coast of Canada and want to do more off-shore sailing in various seasons, and I am invariably the one suffering in the cockpit when the weather turns to crap. 4. Visibility seems like an obvious consideration for MOB situation, but I want to look cool and bright orange or yellow doesn't cut it (not really a question but a fashion statement). 5. We have two daughters 9 and 10 years old - can you find suitable gear in childrens sizes? I have not seen any discussion here on this equipment, surely not everyone lives in Florida (no offence to Floridians - I'm jealous). Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated - our local boat show is coming up and I think I will probably be looking for some sales then. thanks in advance.
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Try West Marine Advisors
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/westadvisor/10001/-1/10001/fwg.htm Their basic website has a link to "Product Advice" follow that.
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/westadvisor/10001/-1/10001/fwg.htm Their basic website has a link to "Product Advice" follow that.
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Im pretty sure they make them in those colors for rescue reasons, I don,t think fashion plays a big part in this. Grigs
Im pretty sure they make them in those colors for rescue reasons, I don,t think fashion plays a big part in this. Grigs
musto rules
Musto is my favorite, but mucho $$$$$. I think they do make it in black now for those that like to run with scissors. Gortex is the king waterproof fabric. Believe me, big bulky and stiff is cool offshore, not to mention dry and cozy. Decide whether you're going to weather, or shakin' it on a runway.
Musto is my favorite, but mucho $$$$$. I think they do make it in black now for those that like to run with scissors. Gortex is the king waterproof fabric. Believe me, big bulky and stiff is cool offshore, not to mention dry and cozy. Decide whether you're going to weather, or shakin' it on a runway.
Don't buy the hype
I'm a sailor, winter alpine climber, tele skier, ice climber etc.. After spending nearly $600.00 on a Henri LLoyd jacket for an offshore trip I was sure glad I had my mountain climbing shell with me! I had a Patagonia three layer Gore-tex mountaineering jacket with me that I paid $229.00 for that blew away my $600.00 Henri Lloyd. Climbing jackets are designed to move freely. Your arms can move freely and the hood is articulated as well as the arms. They also have better venting and are lighter in weight. Wearing my Henri Lloyd was like wearing a firemans suit. Totally uncomfortable! It also did not breath worth a darn, and the fleece lined collar just collected salt spray and iritated my neck. The collar was so stiff it chaffed my ears til they bled. This was the point where I dug our my Patagonia. Granted it was a windy and wet trip but this is what the Lloyd stuff is supposed to be designed for and the hood was designed like it was an afterthought. Oh crap we forgot to put a hood on this jacket quick send a drawing to the guys in China before they go into production...????!!! The problem with my Henri LLoyd gear was freedom of movement, the non articulated hood and the fact that it fit like a trash can & breathed like a trash bag. A hood that can be stored in a collar like on most LLoyd & Musto etc. gear, by nature of the design, with heavy fabric, is not articulated. What is the point of a fleece lined collar when you can't build a hood that keeps water off the fleece? What does fleece do? It dries quickly and leaves the salt behind. What does salt do to your skin? It sucks the moisture out then your skin chaps and becomes raw. If LLoyd actually built a collar correctly, that had enough room for your chin to tuck into without strangling you, they would not need a fleece lining. If they built a hood that fit correctly & only your eyes and nose poked out when cinched down for extreme weather you could wear goggles over the hood and be totally dry like I have been in 85-100 mph winds in a freezing rain storm on NH's Mount Washington. When you turn your head from side to side to check wind conditions or whatever else in a LLoyd the hood mostly stays put and does not turn with your head so you look at the inside of the hood with at least one eye! The LLoyd hood did not even work well with ski goggles! Yes I said ski goggles.. If you've not been in rough enough weather to need them than forget I mentioned them but they do work incredibly well in nasty conditions and keep the salt spray out of your eyes. I always have a few pair on board because you never know when they might come in handy. Poor design, fit and function would NEVER be accepted in the alpine world nor would non articulated sleeves, lack of pit zip venting & over blown ballistic cloth material that prevents freedom of movement & breathability. The weight of the "offshore" ballistic type cloth is 98% unnecessary IMHO. I have yet to rip/abrade any jacket in 35 years of sailing and I've been in numerous offshore races and in some very, very nasty weather. I would have to say that backcoutry tele-skiing through the trees of the White and Green mountains challenges my gear substantially more than sailing and none of my alpine jackets are made of anywhere near the weight cloth as my LLoyd or Musto. The difference is the alpine gear manufacturers actually field test, and research, what the high wear points are and reinforce those points only to keep weight down and keep freedom of movement up. Yes I won't deny I have ripped a few alpine jackets but hitting a low hanging, dead branch of a spruce tree while backcounty tree skiing at 18-20 mph would rip any of my jackets including my LLoyd or Musto. The only thing most alpine climbing jackets lack is a wrist drip cuff and reflective tape. I wear a Mustang inflatable life jacket at night and in rough weather and it has reflective tape.. I also have a strobe on it so I don't really need it on my jacket too. I'll trade those two features any day of the week for far better freedom of movement, substantially higher breathability, articulated hood with multiple fit draw cords, articulated arms & superior ventialtion while remaining totally waterproof at less cost! Here's an idea before you buy a jacket jump in a pool with it on and see how tired you get treading water with the restricted movement of these jackets. Musto, LLoyd and the others need to learn a few things about designing gear & product testing before I'll lay down 600 clams for that over priced under designed "glamour gear" again... Check out the Patagonia site and look at the Skanorak & Chute To Thrill jackets. I own them both because the outlet is 10 minutes away and they are very comfortable and far more breathable than ANY "sailing" gear I've ever owned. I wear an older version of the Chute to Thrill more often than not but also love my Skanorak. Patagonia Link: http://www.patagonia.com/web/us/product/collection.jsp?OPTION=COLLECTIONS_DISPLAY_HANDLER&catcode=MAIN_SP07_US.CLOTHING_GEAR.MENS.JACKETS.HARD_SHELL After my Henri Lloyd debacle I decided to try a Musto and it too was a totaly uncomfortable poor breathing non articulated firemans suit. Since my two experiences I truly feel bad for people wearing "marine foulies". The design of the high altitude gear sold at Patagonia, The North Face, EMS, REI, Backcountry.com etc. etc. is meant to withstand winds of 80+mph snow, ice and freezing rain while remaining easy to move in and waterproof + breathable. Buy yourself a nice 3 layer Gore-tex shell from North Face, Patagonia, EMS, Mountain Hardwear, Arc'teryx, Cloudveil Marmot or one of the other quality names and you'll be fine, most likely pay less and be far more comfortable. A sailboat can;t dish out neraly the punishment that I give my jackets when climbing or backcountry skiing through Spruce trees.. My wife wears an Arc'teryx shell and absolutely loves it! Plus it's cut for a woman. Backcountry.com is a great place to buy from if you have not! Remeber to size a shell so you can layer under neath it if necessary.
I'm a sailor, winter alpine climber, tele skier, ice climber etc.. After spending nearly $600.00 on a Henri LLoyd jacket for an offshore trip I was sure glad I had my mountain climbing shell with me! I had a Patagonia three layer Gore-tex mountaineering jacket with me that I paid $229.00 for that blew away my $600.00 Henri Lloyd. Climbing jackets are designed to move freely. Your arms can move freely and the hood is articulated as well as the arms. They also have better venting and are lighter in weight. Wearing my Henri Lloyd was like wearing a firemans suit. Totally uncomfortable! It also did not breath worth a darn, and the fleece lined collar just collected salt spray and iritated my neck. The collar was so stiff it chaffed my ears til they bled. This was the point where I dug our my Patagonia. Granted it was a windy and wet trip but this is what the Lloyd stuff is supposed to be designed for and the hood was designed like it was an afterthought. Oh crap we forgot to put a hood on this jacket quick send a drawing to the guys in China before they go into production...????!!! The problem with my Henri LLoyd gear was freedom of movement, the non articulated hood and the fact that it fit like a trash can & breathed like a trash bag. A hood that can be stored in a collar like on most LLoyd & Musto etc. gear, by nature of the design, with heavy fabric, is not articulated. What is the point of a fleece lined collar when you can't build a hood that keeps water off the fleece? What does fleece do? It dries quickly and leaves the salt behind. What does salt do to your skin? It sucks the moisture out then your skin chaps and becomes raw. If LLoyd actually built a collar correctly, that had enough room for your chin to tuck into without strangling you, they would not need a fleece lining. If they built a hood that fit correctly & only your eyes and nose poked out when cinched down for extreme weather you could wear goggles over the hood and be totally dry like I have been in 85-100 mph winds in a freezing rain storm on NH's Mount Washington. When you turn your head from side to side to check wind conditions or whatever else in a LLoyd the hood mostly stays put and does not turn with your head so you look at the inside of the hood with at least one eye! The LLoyd hood did not even work well with ski goggles! Yes I said ski goggles.. If you've not been in rough enough weather to need them than forget I mentioned them but they do work incredibly well in nasty conditions and keep the salt spray out of your eyes. I always have a few pair on board because you never know when they might come in handy. Poor design, fit and function would NEVER be accepted in the alpine world nor would non articulated sleeves, lack of pit zip venting & over blown ballistic cloth material that prevents freedom of movement & breathability. The weight of the "offshore" ballistic type cloth is 98% unnecessary IMHO. I have yet to rip/abrade any jacket in 35 years of sailing and I've been in numerous offshore races and in some very, very nasty weather. I would have to say that backcoutry tele-skiing through the trees of the White and Green mountains challenges my gear substantially more than sailing and none of my alpine jackets are made of anywhere near the weight cloth as my LLoyd or Musto. The difference is the alpine gear manufacturers actually field test, and research, what the high wear points are and reinforce those points only to keep weight down and keep freedom of movement up. Yes I won't deny I have ripped a few alpine jackets but hitting a low hanging, dead branch of a spruce tree while backcounty tree skiing at 18-20 mph would rip any of my jackets including my LLoyd or Musto. The only thing most alpine climbing jackets lack is a wrist drip cuff and reflective tape. I wear a Mustang inflatable life jacket at night and in rough weather and it has reflective tape.. I also have a strobe on it so I don't really need it on my jacket too. I'll trade those two features any day of the week for far better freedom of movement, substantially higher breathability, articulated hood with multiple fit draw cords, articulated arms & superior ventialtion while remaining totally waterproof at less cost! Here's an idea before you buy a jacket jump in a pool with it on and see how tired you get treading water with the restricted movement of these jackets. Musto, LLoyd and the others need to learn a few things about designing gear & product testing before I'll lay down 600 clams for that over priced under designed "glamour gear" again... Check out the Patagonia site and look at the Skanorak & Chute To Thrill jackets. I own them both because the outlet is 10 minutes away and they are very comfortable and far more breathable than ANY "sailing" gear I've ever owned. I wear an older version of the Chute to Thrill more often than not but also love my Skanorak. Patagonia Link: http://www.patagonia.com/web/us/product/collection.jsp?OPTION=COLLECTIONS_DISPLAY_HANDLER&catcode=MAIN_SP07_US.CLOTHING_GEAR.MENS.JACKETS.HARD_SHELL After my Henri Lloyd debacle I decided to try a Musto and it too was a totaly uncomfortable poor breathing non articulated firemans suit. Since my two experiences I truly feel bad for people wearing "marine foulies". The design of the high altitude gear sold at Patagonia, The North Face, EMS, REI, Backcountry.com etc. etc. is meant to withstand winds of 80+mph snow, ice and freezing rain while remaining easy to move in and waterproof + breathable. Buy yourself a nice 3 layer Gore-tex shell from North Face, Patagonia, EMS, Mountain Hardwear, Arc'teryx, Cloudveil Marmot or one of the other quality names and you'll be fine, most likely pay less and be far more comfortable. A sailboat can;t dish out neraly the punishment that I give my jackets when climbing or backcountry skiing through Spruce trees.. My wife wears an Arc'teryx shell and absolutely loves it! Plus it's cut for a woman. Backcountry.com is a great place to buy from if you have not! Remeber to size a shell so you can layer under neath it if necessary.
North Face
I bought a North Face shell with zip out flece liner from REI It was the best purchase I ever made for foul weather gear. Its waterproof, breathable, has pit zips, articulated sleves and hood, flece liner is thick and warm. another lightweight flece jacket also zips into the shell and is good for milder temps, and has a zillion pockets that are accessable. It is also my winter jacket while living in frigid Wisconsin winters. I've had it for three years and love it. I'll buy another one when this one wears out. It was a little pricey at $389 but it sure beats $600 just my 2 cents
I bought a North Face shell with zip out flece liner from REI It was the best purchase I ever made for foul weather gear. Its waterproof, breathable, has pit zips, articulated sleves and hood, flece liner is thick and warm. another lightweight flece jacket also zips into the shell and is good for milder temps, and has a zillion pockets that are accessable. It is also my winter jacket while living in frigid Wisconsin winters. I've had it for three years and love it. I'll buy another one when this one wears out. It was a little pricey at $389 but it sure beats $600 just my 2 cents
cheap 3 layer
Base layer from Target (100% polyester) - $25 Top Middle layer of 100% polyester fleece from Target - $9 Bottom Middle layer of 100% polyester sweats - $9 Outside layer: rain gear from walmart - $20 Neck, ears and face: Polypropylene neck warmer - $10 Head: I need a good hat...mine is terrible. Feet: wool socks - $10 Sum: $84 It's breathable. It's light. It provides for movement. It doesn't hold water. It is warm. Good for me to about 35 degrees. Anything colder, just add another middle layer, another pair of socks and a wool scarf. Water and Wind doesn't matter because it's blocked out by the out shell. Now if you fall overboard, that's a totally different story. What ever you do, DON'T USE COTTON! I've made that mistake before.
Base layer from Target (100% polyester) - $25 Top Middle layer of 100% polyester fleece from Target - $9 Bottom Middle layer of 100% polyester sweats - $9 Outside layer: rain gear from walmart - $20 Neck, ears and face: Polypropylene neck warmer - $10 Head: I need a good hat...mine is terrible. Feet: wool socks - $10 Sum: $84 It's breathable. It's light. It provides for movement. It doesn't hold water. It is warm. Good for me to about 35 degrees. Anything colder, just add another middle layer, another pair of socks and a wool scarf. Water and Wind doesn't matter because it's blocked out by the out shell. Now if you fall overboard, that's a totally different story. What ever you do, DON'T USE COTTON! I've made that mistake before.
Yep, Musto
Been through Gill, HH, and HL. Finally moved on to Musto- and what a difference a few hundred extra dollars (for each piece) makes. I'll probably never buy anything else after this. B
Been through Gill, HH, and HL. Finally moved on to Musto- and what a difference a few hundred extra dollars (for each piece) makes. I'll probably never buy anything else after this. B
While we are mentioning brands
I wear XM Ocean Technology. It "IS" breathable, completly water proof and as tuff as nails. How they make clothing that is breathable and waterproof is beyong me but this stuff seems to work extremly well. My work is delivering yachts and of course at times we sail in the worst conditions. Often day after day after day of heavy rain with waves and spray flying over the decks. One thing I do every time tho is rince the gear in fresh water after every trip. The lastest lot (jacket and pants) have provided complete protection for the last eight months and although very grubby the fabric is holding together well. I seem to get about 12 months out of each set but this is with almost daily use. The colour of wet weather gear doesn't bother me as long as it is as bright as possible. Yellow is my prefered colour. When I see other yachtsman sailing past the yellow gear really does stick out on a miserable foggy morning where as red seems to not have quite the impact. I also make sure that the jacket has provision for a harness.
I wear XM Ocean Technology. It "IS" breathable, completly water proof and as tuff as nails. How they make clothing that is breathable and waterproof is beyong me but this stuff seems to work extremly well. My work is delivering yachts and of course at times we sail in the worst conditions. Often day after day after day of heavy rain with waves and spray flying over the decks. One thing I do every time tho is rince the gear in fresh water after every trip. The lastest lot (jacket and pants) have provided complete protection for the last eight months and although very grubby the fabric is holding together well. I seem to get about 12 months out of each set but this is with almost daily use. The colour of wet weather gear doesn't bother me as long as it is as bright as possible. Yellow is my prefered colour. When I see other yachtsman sailing past the yellow gear really does stick out on a miserable foggy morning where as red seems to not have quite the impact. I also make sure that the jacket has provision for a harness.
Thanks folks
I had a feeling this would generate some discussion. I have been using some of my old army gear, which has served me very well on land but is not very "yachty". Seems to me from the responses here that function beats form - its hard to beat layers and wool socks, although the new materials certainly are an improvement. I'm going to find something comfortable. Thanks MaineSail for the tip about the fleece collars - I was looking at them today and thinking along the same lines. I think a pair of ski goggles might be worth adding to the inventory as well. One thing I have not seen is any mention of gloves - anyone have any strong opinions on them. We use traditional 3/4 length sailing gloves, but I also have used "fishing" gloves made out of wetsuit material in wet weather. I guess wool mittens might work, or "trigger" mittens (the hunters will know). Thanks a bunch for your feedback.
I had a feeling this would generate some discussion. I have been using some of my old army gear, which has served me very well on land but is not very "yachty". Seems to me from the responses here that function beats form - its hard to beat layers and wool socks, although the new materials certainly are an improvement. I'm going to find something comfortable. Thanks MaineSail for the tip about the fleece collars - I was looking at them today and thinking along the same lines. I think a pair of ski goggles might be worth adding to the inventory as well. One thing I have not seen is any mention of gloves - anyone have any strong opinions on them. We use traditional 3/4 length sailing gloves, but I also have used "fishing" gloves made out of wetsuit material in wet weather. I guess wool mittens might work, or "trigger" mittens (the hunters will know). Thanks a bunch for your feedback.
trigger mittens
is what I use and have been very happy with them. Here (http://www.teonline.com/fiber-chart.html) is a good chart to describe fiber characteristics. Here (http://www.everestclothing.com/scripts/openExtra.asp?extra=15) is another talking about other fibers. The charts at the bottom of this page (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5631074.html) rank the fibers in different catigories. You will see that Polypropylene is definately the best in just about all categories. Polypropylene is expensive though but Polyester isn't too far behind in the important categories (thermal, weight, absorbsion) and it's much cheaper then Polypropylene. Thats why I say a cheap polyester layers with a good waterpoof shell is hard to beat. I'd rather spend the $600 on beer
If you do go with Polypropylene, make sure you don't put it in the dryer...it will ruin it after a few cycles...it will get ichy like wool. I like wool for socks because strong and comes thick. My wool scarf is wool because I got it for free. A good fluffy Poylester scarf would be better but I haven't seen one of those.
is what I use and have been very happy with them. Here (http://www.teonline.com/fiber-chart.html) is a good chart to describe fiber characteristics. Here (http://www.everestclothing.com/scripts/openExtra.asp?extra=15) is another talking about other fibers. The charts at the bottom of this page (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5631074.html) rank the fibers in different catigories. You will see that Polypropylene is definately the best in just about all categories. Polypropylene is expensive though but Polyester isn't too far behind in the important categories (thermal, weight, absorbsion) and it's much cheaper then Polypropylene. Thats why I say a cheap polyester layers with a good waterpoof shell is hard to beat. I'd rather spend the $600 on beer
If you do go with Polypropylene, make sure you don't put it in the dryer...it will ruin it after a few cycles...it will get ichy like wool. I like wool for socks because strong and comes thick. My wool scarf is wool because I got it for free. A good fluffy Poylester scarf would be better but I haven't seen one of those.
I've done quite a bit of backpacking over the...
years in all kinds of weather and have found that the same kind of layering works well on the water. Since I tend to be a bit thrifty on some of these matters most all of the foul weather gear that I have on board (several pairs for the admiral and I) comes from tag sales, thrift stores or stuff that I've found on my running route. If you look sharply you can find good quality 100% polyester fleece layering gear for next to nothing. This stuff is warm, light, wicks well and lasts. A good quality synthetic puffy jacket with a hood and draw string (mine cost me $2.00 at a tag sale) is a must over the fleece. Since most body heat exits from the head you need to have a double layer fleece knit stocking cap. The one I use I found on the ground at a trail head. When the weather decides to rain we have rubber boots and inexpensive but good quality yellow rain gear that help to keep us dry. The same goes for gloves. Polyester liners, polyester fleece over the liners and leather outers for wear strength works for me. No fashion statement here, just stuff that keeps you warm when the tug of the water overwhelms a sailor's spirit, the weather be damned. Terry
years in all kinds of weather and have found that the same kind of layering works well on the water. Since I tend to be a bit thrifty on some of these matters most all of the foul weather gear that I have on board (several pairs for the admiral and I) comes from tag sales, thrift stores or stuff that I've found on my running route. If you look sharply you can find good quality 100% polyester fleece layering gear for next to nothing. This stuff is warm, light, wicks well and lasts. A good quality synthetic puffy jacket with a hood and draw string (mine cost me $2.00 at a tag sale) is a must over the fleece. Since most body heat exits from the head you need to have a double layer fleece knit stocking cap. The one I use I found on the ground at a trail head. When the weather decides to rain we have rubber boots and inexpensive but good quality yellow rain gear that help to keep us dry. The same goes for gloves. Polyester liners, polyester fleece over the liners and leather outers for wear strength works for me. No fashion statement here, just stuff that keeps you warm when the tug of the water overwhelms a sailor's spirit, the weather be damned. Terry
FLOAT COATS
PRATICAL SAILOR FEBRUARY 2007 HAS AN INFORMATIVE ARTICLE IN REGARD TO FLOAT COATS. FLOAT COATS PROVIDE THE FLOTATION YOU BEED TO KEEP FROM DROWNING IN ALL BUT THE MOST EXTEME SITUATIONS, AND SOME OFFER DEFENSE AGAINST HYPOTHERMIA. IN THE SAME ISSUE A READER SENT A LETTER WITH AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE WEST MARINE CHILD'S HARNESS. HARNESS MANUFACTURED BY CREWSAVER HAS FEATURES YOU WOULD FIND IN AN ADULT HARNESS BUT SIZED TO FIT A CHILD. WWW.WESELLCREWSAVER.CO.UK/PRODUCT-PAGES/CSR-JUNIOR150.HTML ITS ALL ABOUT GATHERING AS MUCH INFO AS YOU CAN TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION. ITS NICE WHEN YOU CAN FIND EXACTLY WHAT YOU NEED TO GET THE JOB DONE, AND NOT GET BEAT UP TO BAD IN THE POCKET. DONT FORGET TO PRAY, THE KING OF THE UNIVERSE WILL PROVIDE.
PRATICAL SAILOR FEBRUARY 2007 HAS AN INFORMATIVE ARTICLE IN REGARD TO FLOAT COATS. FLOAT COATS PROVIDE THE FLOTATION YOU BEED TO KEEP FROM DROWNING IN ALL BUT THE MOST EXTEME SITUATIONS, AND SOME OFFER DEFENSE AGAINST HYPOTHERMIA. IN THE SAME ISSUE A READER SENT A LETTER WITH AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE WEST MARINE CHILD'S HARNESS. HARNESS MANUFACTURED BY CREWSAVER HAS FEATURES YOU WOULD FIND IN AN ADULT HARNESS BUT SIZED TO FIT A CHILD. WWW.WESELLCREWSAVER.CO.UK/PRODUCT-PAGES/CSR-JUNIOR150.HTML ITS ALL ABOUT GATHERING AS MUCH INFO AS YOU CAN TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION. ITS NICE WHEN YOU CAN FIND EXACTLY WHAT YOU NEED TO GET THE JOB DONE, AND NOT GET BEAT UP TO BAD IN THE POCKET. DONT FORGET TO PRAY, THE KING OF THE UNIVERSE WILL PROVIDE.
I would
tend to believe Maine sail. Sure seems he knows of what he speaks. Personally, As I have not done any extreme sailing in sub freezing temps, I have ridden motorcycles in sub 0 and found big ol comfy Carheart insulated coveralls aren't much when the wind gets going, but put a good rubber motorcycle rainsuit on top, the kind with elastic backed by velcro around the cuffs, and viola. Toasty and dry at 70mph. I wouldn't want to swim in that getup but the rainsuit works in summer as well. About $100.
tend to believe Maine sail. Sure seems he knows of what he speaks. Personally, As I have not done any extreme sailing in sub freezing temps, I have ridden motorcycles in sub 0 and found big ol comfy Carheart insulated coveralls aren't much when the wind gets going, but put a good rubber motorcycle rainsuit on top, the kind with elastic backed by velcro around the cuffs, and viola. Toasty and dry at 70mph. I wouldn't want to swim in that getup but the rainsuit works in summer as well. About $100.
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