Flying an Asymetrical Spinaker

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Jan 4, 2007
406
Hunter 30 Centerport
Don,

I've been sailing for years with a genny and main on my 27 footer. Last year I got a new to me 30 footer with a asymetrical spinaker in a sock. Theres an extra halyard to raise it but then what?

I've no idea how fly it. Can you give me a simple step by step or recommend a book or video?

I've also got a drifter...same question.....
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,221
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rPXIYB8WLE&feature=related

http://www.fxsails.com/spinnarticle2.php

Before you rig the sheets...... determine whether the halyard block is inside or outfront of the headstay... If it's outfront the run the sheets around the outside of the headstay. When you jibe, you must control both sheets to allow the clew to fly out and around the headstay.

If your are using a spare jib halyard, the block/sheave will be located behind the headstay. In that case you will want to jibe the sail just like you would a normal headsail, so you must run the sheets inside the forestay. This method can cause problems because the sail is so much larger and may hang up on the headstay or spreaders... so many cruisers opt to simply douse the sail and reset it on the other side... if you're using a snuffer this is really easy. DO NOT try tacking the sail... there's a good chance you will shread it on the spreaders otherwise.

When you attach the tack, you may clip it to the headstay or let it fly free. Most sailors choose to use an adjustable tackline that they run back to the cockpit so they can control the height of the tack for trim purposes. My boat has a block attached to the stem head with a 5/16 line running back to the cockpit... the working end has a snap hook for the headstay wire and a snap shackle for the sail tack. If you have a roller furling headsail you can use a loop of sail fabric, or a wire string of wooden beads (parel beads) to wrap around the furled sail and clip to the gennaker tack. I find that letting it fly free is more than adequate so don't postpone your fun if you don't have that accessory.

I don't set my sail at the pulpit.. it's a small 27 footer and I sail in the ocean, so the less time I spend up there the better. I keep the sail in a bag tethered to a bracket just inside the forward hatch. When I'm on deck, by the mast I can open the hatch, reach in and grab the headpiece of the sail/snuffer, clip on the halyard and then bring it up and snake it on deck.. the sheets are attached to a pigtail which is clipped to the lifeline... so I only need to hook one piece to the clew and the tackline shackle is clipped to a neaby stanchion ready for action.

So... sheets attached, tackline attached, halyard ready, jib down, jib sheets are out of the way, hopefully... time to hoist up the snuffer. It's much easier to head down wind and bring it up in the shadow of the mainsail so the rig won't get wrapped on the spreaders. The cockpit crew can cheat up the tackline and active sheet ahead of time so winching is minimal as the sail is set.... up goes the snuffer, trim in the tackline and sheet.. then head up wind to get the sail filled... and by god you're flying the kite. You will experience an immediate surge in boat speed... very, very cool.

Taking it down is pretty simple with a snuffer.. just release the tackline and sheet as you pull down the snuffer control line.

Oh..... make sure you tether the snuffer control line to the mast or lifeline so it's at hand when you need it.
 
May 17, 2004
2,110
Other Catalina 30 Tucson, AZ
Nelsonhow: One of the best books I know of on the subject is "performance Racing Trim" by Bill Gladstone.

I'm not much into spiinakers because most of the folks I deal with (beginners to high intermediates) have trouble just dealing with the jib!! There are plenty of spin experts on the sail trim forum that can help you out.
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
Just as any other skill learned, start in light to mild conditions and slowly 'work-up' to but dont exceed your personal 'comfort level'. If you can fly a Genoa, you can fly an asymmetical. Most folks become terrorized never again to fly the kite because they exceed their 'comfort' (aka 'pucker factor').

If you can fly a genoa, you can fly an asymm kite.

Hints for spinnaker 'newbies':
•ALL lines 'outside' of shrouds, stays, pulpits, small dogs --- VERIFY prior to deploying from a 'sock'. (except for forestay if you select to inside-gybe where the spinn gybes betwen the mast and the forestay - then INSIDE the forestay) When first starting out have a crew 'recheck' your set up for 'all outside'.
• Go out in light winds and flat water (drifting+ conditions), the usual 'calm before dusk' that has stable wind is preferred.
* raise ONLY the spinn. (no mainsl)
• Set the tackline tight/close to the deck, pull in on the sheet, than SLOWLY 'uncover' the spinn while going approx 45° off of DDW. Rapidly pull in the sheet to prevent the spinn from 'wrapping around' the forestay as the sail 'uncovers' from the sock, etc.
• AT first few times out, forget about how high the tack is off the deck ... later stuff, for when you are 'comfortable', for now keep the sail 'tacked' to the bow/deck.
• Sail at ~45° off of downwind and work the sheet .... slowly ease out and stop/pull back in when the luff begins to 'curl' ... thats the 'sweet spot' that you will use for the rest of your spinn trimming life. Experiment in/out on the sheet till satisfied, then go deeper downwind and repeat until almost DDW then start working up in increment to beam reaching .... youll notice different shape in the spinn as the sailing angle changes.
• douse the sock (or HALFWAY) gybe over and repeat on the other side.

• Gybing (outside and around)
First time (no Mainsail up) - go onto a 45° off of DDW, then SLOWLY ease off the sheet until ALL the spinnaker is IN FRONT of the forestay, do this as you slowly gybe the boat .... but NO FURTHER than DDW. Once the Spinn is totally 'out and front' and the boat is DDW, THEN complete the SLOW turn as you slowly pull in the 'other' sheet .. and go back to a 45° on the 'other side'. If you pull in the 'other' sheet before ALL the spinn is in front of the forestay, you will probably wrap the spinn around the forestay. Ideally, you want the CLEW of the spinn in 'front of everything' when you gybe and begin to pull in with the 'opposite' sheet. If you pull the 'other' sheet too soon you can 'wrap' part of the spinn around the forestay .... here, later is better than sooner.

• Gybing 'inside and through the foretriangle' (no main up) sail at 45° off DDW
Pull IN on the sheet until the spinn is flat and the clew is about as far back as you can get it. Slowly gybe the boat (let its 'momentum' carry you through the gybe) and as the boat starts comes up on the opposite 45° off of DDW slowly ease the spinn, back to 'perfect trim' with the luff 'just' beginning to curl. You 'control' the rate at which the spinn 'goes through' the foretriangle with the spinnaker sheet. You may want to slightly 'pull down' the sock a few feet until you get used to this and your 'timing' gets good.

• Keep 'practicing' (with no mainsl) in increasing windstrengths (10-12kts. max) until you have a clear visual/mental picture of what is happening to the spinnaker ... and all the 'corrections' you made to 'get a good visual' set ---- remember all the 'behaviour' of the spinn so that when you add the mainsal later you will have a clear 'remembrance' of how the the spinn is 'behaving' when you cant see it hidden behind the main.

• Begin with tack-line adjustment on various sailing angles and wind-strengths (below 10-12) and see how much or how little adjustment is needed so that the middle of the spinn luff begins to 'curl' .... make your adjustment of the tack line up/down so the curl is at the 'middle' of the luff. Do this at various sailing angles and find out how 'far above a beam reach' you can go!! Then when youre confident fly the spinn with the main up (still in less than 10-12). Your goal now is visualize the 'reaction' that the main makes on the spinn. with various angles of the boom; and to time the gybing of the spinn with the gybing of the main

Other hints:
• the halyard to spinnaker connection MUST have a swivel - allows the spinn to 'cleanly' deploy without 'twists'. If you have a sock there MUST be a swivel between the sock and the spinn.
• When first starting ... take the spinnaker + sock and lay on flat ground and puil the 'sock' totally up to expose the spinnaker ..... then, as you close the sock back down on the spinn take the leech and the luff and hold them TOGETHER with your thumb between ... this will ensure that the spinn will deploy without TWISTS in the spinn.
• Do everything the EXACT SAME way each and every time you raise, deploy, douse .... When not racing I always raise, deploy, douse when on *Starboard* (gives me 'rights' over other boats) and lessen the chances of 'screw-up' because I dont have to 'think'. Sorry, good spinnaker handling is like 'religion'.
• You can REEF a spinnaker by partly pulling down the sock !!!
• Deploying and Dousing let the main/boom go forward on your 'preferred' tack to 'shadow' the sock/spinn and raise and deploy the spinn with the main deflecting the air OFF while you raise/dowse.
Before raising pull the tackline taught and the sheet 'somewhat' taught ... pull in on the sheet as you deploy the spinn from the sock.
Dowsing ... gybe over to your 'usual preferred' tack, open the mainsheet to let the boom/main go full forward to shadow the spinn, release the TACK LINE and immediately you pull down the sock - do quickly and stop any 'lines' from going into the water and under the boat. This type of 'douse' will allow you stand amidships at the rail when you douse.
• practice, practice at every possible opportunity / whim if you want to become 'good' with a spinn. When in doubt, fly the spinn.
• Ultimately GET RID OF THAT 'SOCK' ... at first a sock will allow faster confidence (got a problem, pull the sock; wind too high to gybe, pull the sock then gybe, too much sail up - partly pull the sock down, etc.) BUT the sock adds 'complexity' - more lines to trip over, foul, be on the 'wrong side', etc. etc. Consider (later) raising, dowsing without one - faster, simpler, less 'line clutter'. If all hell breaks loose, put the spinn behind the main, (and with stopknot at the halyard end) let the halyard 'fly' and pull in the spinn faster than it can fall into the water ..... OR bring the main/boom to center (or pinned to the rail), pull in the sheet as far back as it will go (may have to partly release the tack line), TACK the BOAT (turn the BOW through-the-wind) and immediately 'heave-to' and lay the spin onto the main, the wind will keep the spinn stuck to the main, then release the halyard and PULL the spinn down off of the windward side of the main. (I do the 'heave-to douse' a LOT when single-handing my sport boat with a symmetrical kite.)

.....& Saving the very 'best" ?? for last.
• Wrapping the spinnaker around the forestay is a 'problem' and eventually you WILL make an error and wrap the spinn which can also form 'many bubbles' of entangled spinn firmly wrapped. If 'bubbles' form due to the wrap .... NEVER EVER EVER EVER pull on the tack-line nor luff nor the spinnaker foot in an attempt to clear the bubble .... as that will/may cause the 'knots' to become tighter and may even JAM the spinnaker firmly attached to the forestay . (wink, wink to the racers reading this)
The wind (turbulence) causes the wrap or bubble-wrap ... and you can use the wind to 'unwind' the bubbles. Forget the bubbles, gybe the main to the opposite side and quickly apply a 'preventer' to keep/hold the boom as far forward as possible, then slowly gybe back and forth while watching the bubbles ... sometimes you have to gybe the main back and forth again and again. The wind put the bubbles around the forestay, so the easiest way is to use the wind to 'unwind them' by 'reversing' the wind. The timing of when you gybe will become apparent - just watch the bubbles when you gybe back and forth and it will become very apparent which way to go. If you pull on the edge/corner of spinnaker in an attempt to 'clear' the bubbles, you risk only tightening/jamming them (can you shinny up a mast with a knife held in your teeth?).

;-)
 
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May 23, 2007
1,306
Catalina Capri 22 Albany, Oregon
Got a couple of related questions . . .

I've got a loaner assym from what I presume is a standard Catalina 22. I have a Capri 22 Tall Rig so about 3 feet more mast height. One of the issues I've run into is that the snuffer line is kind of short and doesn't reach the deck or the cleats low on my mast.

So, here's first the question - I can tie it off to the padeye for the spinnaker/whisker pole but I'm wondering if I would be better off trying to replace the line?

Next question - I've got a block on the stem fitting for the tack line. That works ok but the placement of the nav light suggests I'm likely to have some issues with it chafing and getting hung up. Is the addition of a second block at the top/center of the pulpit likely to cause me any issues? I've seen several boats with blocks there but haven't seen any of them out sailing so I'm not positive what they're using them for.
 
Nov 8, 2007
1,594
Hunter 27_75-84 Sandusky Harbor Marina, Ohio
Simple Asymetric

Our asymetric chute and sock is rigged for cruising on our '77 h27 as follows:

- added a bale on the masthead to mount the halyard block forward of the forestay. We have a winch on the mast for the halyard, and a cleat on each side of the mast for the sock line.

- The tack line is about 7 feet long, and ends in a snap shackle. We wrap it once around the windward side of the top rail of the bow pulpit, and secure the shackle on the toerail. Farther back to tighten the luff for sailing above a beam reach, and closer. Close to the bow to ease the luff, and allow the sail to power up off the wind.

- One sheet that we run outside all rigging to leeward to a turning block in the last hole of the toerail at the stern. Then we run the sheet forward to the sheet winch on the cockpit coaming. We are cruisers, so we don't often gybe, but when we do, we drop the sock, switch the tack line to the other side, coil the sheet by the clew, carry the sheet and the sock around the forestay to the other side, run the sheet outside all rigging to the new leeward side, gybe the main, the run the sock up to deploy the spinnaker on the new gybe. Note that you need 4 times the sheet length to use 2 sheets, and flow the spinnaker forward of the boat to gybe, since each sheet needs to be about 2 boatlengths, versus one boatlength+ for our set-up.

That's it! Our asymetric is a great sail, and adds 20% to our sailing (vs. motoring) time on a typical cruise. Oh, and it looks great!

The only problems we have ever had with the sail were due to leaving it up too long when the wind picks up. The result is a very exciting broach when a gust and pronounced heel overpower the rudder. So watch out for pop up storms, a front coming through, or just sticking with the sleighride too long as the wind builds through the afternoon.
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
Got a couple of related questions . . .
So, here's first the question - I can tie it off to the padeye for the spinnaker/whisker pole but I'm wondering if I would be better off trying to replace the line?
Sure you can, as once the sock it 'deployed' the only thing you really have concern about is 'fouling' the loose sock control lines on or around 'something'. Simply tie off, etc. to anything convenient, but make sure you can 'untie' in a hurry.

Next question - I've got a block on the stem fitting for the tack line. That works ok but the placement of the nav light suggests I'm likely to have some issues with it chafing and getting hung up. Is the addition of a second block at the top/center of the pulpit likely to cause me any issues? I've seen several boats with blocks there but haven't seen any of them out sailing so I'm not positive what they're using them for.
I may be 'reading this wrong' .... if you are implying that the tackline is 'through' the pulpit then I would disagree as you risk fouling or 'removing' the pulpit if 'all helll breaks loose'. Better to be completely 'free' of the pulpit by either tacking to either 'inside' the pulpit or totally 'outside and in front' of the pulpit. If you use a 'tacker' or 'parell bead' etc., the 'all inside the pulpit', for me, works best as the tacker, etc. prevents/lessens the tack-line from coming in contact with the top-rail of the pulpit. .... ;-)
 
Nov 8, 2007
1,594
Hunter 27_75-84 Sandusky Harbor Marina, Ohio
How strong is the pulpit?

RichH, with 4 solid attachments to the deck by the hull deck joint and toerail, and welded stainless steel construction, I have thought the pulpit can easily bear the stress of the tackline.

That seems especially true if the spinnaker tack is pulling it up and forward as it does.
 
May 23, 2007
1,306
Catalina Capri 22 Albany, Oregon
Running the tackline inside the pulpit should avoid the fouling & chafing I was concerned about. Might give that a shot before I try mounting a block up there.

Thanks!
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,221
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
Running the tackline inside the pulpit should avoid the fouling & chafing I was concerned about. Might give that a shot before I try mounting a block up there.

Thanks!

Running the tackline inside the pupit is the way to go..You can experiment with clipping the sail's tack to the headstay for reaching. The blocks you see rigged on pulpits are probably and attempt to push the sail out a bit further in front of the boat.... instead of building a sprit. I tried that, bracing the block back to the stem head with piece of strong, high tech line.... it seemed to help a bit... but I eventually took it down.

The deal is, you're not really making a big modification, so experimenting and changing things around is just part of dialing your boat it.. have fun with it.
 
Nov 7, 2005
33
Hunter 26.5 DeGray Lake, AR
socks suck

Nelsonhow, I tried the dowsing sock and finally threw it away. I use a tack line to a block on the fore stay pendant, run back to the cockpit, one for starboard and one for port. I hang the spinnacker in the hatch/cabin, attach halyard, tack, etc. according to which side is favored, haul up halyard first, follow with tack, then the sheet. I can do this easily single handed. I drop the jib last. Occasionally I have to run forward to get the jib all the way down, but normally not. All control lines for the spinnaker go to the cockpit, clutches or cleats, etc.
Jibbing is a bit of a trick single handed. I have to run the opposite sheet (already attached to the spinnaker clew) around the fore stay and back to the cockpit, then time letting one sheet out, turning boat, and pulling other sheet in.
Dropping the spinnaker is easy. Let loose the tack, gather up the spinnaker, let loose the halyard and pull her into the cabin.
For single handed action, the sock sucks. You have to be on the fore deck way too long. Even with a crew, I also think the sock is too slow.
Good sailing to you.
Chaos
 
Aug 5, 2006
121
Hunter 33 brisbane
If you want to make life real easy get a Facnor spinnaker furler. Clever design for an asymetric and works fine dousing from the cockpit. You can also sail with it ready up and furled if conditions look like you will use it.
 

Alan

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Jun 2, 2004
4,174
Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
I too hate to use a sock. There are a couple of simple tricks to gybing. Ease the sheet way out so the clew is past the bow as you turn down wind. Hold the boat on a DDW course while you gybe the main then overhaul the new sheet. When the chute is over head up to your new course and trim both sails. An excellent thing to do is practice doing several gybes in a row so you become familiar with the procedure. Too many folks think the sky is gonna fall if you gybe, it just aint so!

PS dump 8 to 10 feet of tack line before you overhaul the new sheet to make the gybe easier. Re-trim it after so the luff breaks at the mid point for correct tack height.
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
To aid gybing 'out and around', consider the use one of the high tech 'super light weight' lines for the sheets.
Especially good for 'light wind' spinn usage and helps prevent the lines from 'going under the bow' when gybing.
 
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