I'm looking for an outboard for my MacGregor 25. I've been offered an Evinrude 9.5 long shaft 1969 Model 9922S for $419. It seems in good shape. Is this a fair deal? Anything in particular I should look for when testing it? Will I be able to get parts for it? Or am I just being cheap and I should spring for a newer outboard? Thanks in advance!
Fair price for Evinrude 9.5 1996
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Grab it
if it runs ok. I am still using a 1969 Johnson (sister company) for my dingy.I used it for years as a spare on a 21 foot fishing boat. It sat in my garage for over 10 years with no use before I re-commisioned it for my dingy. It started up with only a couple of pulls, but was not circulating water. I took it to my ob mechanic and had him clean the pipes and replace the water pump. Runs good as new! Well, that may be streching it a little.
If you decide not to take it, email me with the owners information. I have a friend that may be interested.
if it runs ok. I am still using a 1969 Johnson (sister company) for my dingy.I used it for years as a spare on a 21 foot fishing boat. It sat in my garage for over 10 years with no use before I re-commisioned it for my dingy. It started up with only a couple of pulls, but was not circulating water. I took it to my ob mechanic and had him clean the pipes and replace the water pump. Runs good as new! Well, that may be streching it a little.
If you decide not to take it, email me with the owners information. I have a friend that may be interested.$200 tops - IMHO
See link for repair details etc. It is a 1969 and not 1996. Couple of years in there.
See link for repair details etc. It is a 1969 and not 1996. Couple of years in there.
Too much money
I agree that it's not worth that much money. I would think 200 or 250 would be tops for this. If it hasn't been run for a while you are going to need a water pump for sure, and more than likely the carb gone through. This will add a couple of hundred to the price if you have it done. 50 or so if you can do it yourself. If you buy it, NAPA should have parts for it, much cheaper than at a dealership.
I agree that it's not worth that much money. I would think 200 or 250 would be tops for this. If it hasn't been run for a while you are going to need a water pump for sure, and more than likely the carb gone through. This will add a couple of hundred to the price if you have it done. 50 or so if you can do it yourself. If you buy it, NAPA should have parts for it, much cheaper than at a dealership.
OOPS!
I did not read the post very well I guess. No, I agree that if it's a 1969, they are asking to much.
I did not read the post very well I guess. No, I agree that if it's a 1969, they are asking to much.
Outboard pictured is not a long shaft
I am pretty sure the outboard pictured is a regular, (http://www.smalloutboards.com/shaft.htm) shaft Evinrude, not a long shaft. I have no experience with a Mac, but the two sailboats I have had that used an outboard would do fine with a long shaft in calm to moderate conditions, but in a good chop you wanted a extra long shaft or dreamed of an inboard. When you go forward in a smaller boat even in moderate conditions the prop may start coming out of the water. $400 might be a good deal for a motor that old (if it is the right size) depending on condition, as a lot of little outboards spend their life in someones garage and get very little use. Two strokes are lighter than four strokes but use more fuel, are noisier, and make more pollution. Weight is a key factor when your hanging off the back of the transom mounting or removing or even raising and lowering on the bracket (a four stroke usually requires a beefier bracket), not to mention if you ever transfer the motor to a dink.
I am pretty sure the outboard pictured is a regular, (http://www.smalloutboards.com/shaft.htm) shaft Evinrude, not a long shaft. I have no experience with a Mac, but the two sailboats I have had that used an outboard would do fine with a long shaft in calm to moderate conditions, but in a good chop you wanted a extra long shaft or dreamed of an inboard. When you go forward in a smaller boat even in moderate conditions the prop may start coming out of the water. $400 might be a good deal for a motor that old (if it is the right size) depending on condition, as a lot of little outboards spend their life in someones garage and get very little use. Two strokes are lighter than four strokes but use more fuel, are noisier, and make more pollution. Weight is a key factor when your hanging off the back of the transom mounting or removing or even raising and lowering on the bracket (a four stroke usually requires a beefier bracket), not to mention if you ever transfer the motor to a dink.
One of the things I really liked
about having an OB on a sailboat is that you can buy a really old boat in good condition for a great price and then put a new motor on -- also for not a bad price. A boat like the MacGregor 25 could be easily driven by a 6 hp OB and the prices for a new, 4-stroke Nissan/Tohatsu are, IMHO, pretty good. See link. Buying an old OB is really a crap shoot. Everything wears out - including us. By the time you get done bringing an old motor up to speed, and can depend on it, you are getting near, or surpassing the price of a new motor.
about having an OB on a sailboat is that you can buy a really old boat in good condition for a great price and then put a new motor on -- also for not a bad price. A boat like the MacGregor 25 could be easily driven by a 6 hp OB and the prices for a new, 4-stroke Nissan/Tohatsu are, IMHO, pretty good. See link. Buying an old OB is really a crap shoot. Everything wears out - including us. By the time you get done bringing an old motor up to speed, and can depend on it, you are getting near, or surpassing the price of a new motor.
I agree completely with Warren and add
it is nice not to have to mix oil and gas. Nice not to be blowing oily exhaust into water. Nice to be able to have a conversation sitting next to the engine. And it is hard to beat the fuel economy of the new 4 strokes. I recently sailed my 23 footer with tohatsu 5 horse 4 stroke for 2 long days morning to night. We did alot of docking and up and down several canals and anchoring under power. We used just half a gallon for entire weekend. In any event, have fun.
it is nice not to have to mix oil and gas. Nice not to be blowing oily exhaust into water. Nice to be able to have a conversation sitting next to the engine. And it is hard to beat the fuel economy of the new 4 strokes. I recently sailed my 23 footer with tohatsu 5 horse 4 stroke for 2 long days morning to night. We did alot of docking and up and down several canals and anchoring under power. We used just half a gallon for entire weekend. In any event, have fun.
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Thanks so much for your thoughtful comments. Here's my responses to some of your comments. 1. The seller claims it is 20 inch. I've asked him to measure it again before I make the journey to test it. I agree that a 25 inch shaft would be superior but very hard to find on the used market. 2. In my limited experience, a 6 hp is just not enough to move a 25 foot sailboat against winds and current, especially in emergencies. 3. I'm concerned about the weight of a 4 stroke hanging off my stern. 90 lbs seems like a lot. The old Evinrude is only about 60. 4. I'm not much concerned a fuel consumption or pollution because I expect to use the motor only for docking (and emergencies). 5. Finally, I have to be concerned about theft. My Mac25 is on a trailer in a mast-up storage lot next to a launch ramp. A new outboard will be a tempting target if left on the boat and I don't like to idea of wrestling a 90 lbs motor on and off each time I sail. Maybe I should look harder for a newer 2 stroke preferably with a 25 inch shaft? I'm very grateful for all your thoughful and knowledgable comments.
Thanks so much for your thoughtful comments. Here's my responses to some of your comments. 1. The seller claims it is 20 inch. I've asked him to measure it again before I make the journey to test it. I agree that a 25 inch shaft would be superior but very hard to find on the used market. 2. In my limited experience, a 6 hp is just not enough to move a 25 foot sailboat against winds and current, especially in emergencies. 3. I'm concerned about the weight of a 4 stroke hanging off my stern. 90 lbs seems like a lot. The old Evinrude is only about 60. 4. I'm not much concerned a fuel consumption or pollution because I expect to use the motor only for docking (and emergencies). 5. Finally, I have to be concerned about theft. My Mac25 is on a trailer in a mast-up storage lot next to a launch ramp. A new outboard will be a tempting target if left on the boat and I don't like to idea of wrestling a 90 lbs motor on and off each time I sail. Maybe I should look harder for a newer 2 stroke preferably with a 25 inch shaft? I'm very grateful for all your thoughful and knowledgable comments.
40 year old outboard
40 year old outboard!!! over $400 way to much Ive got a 5200lb 26ft boat and an 8hp 2 stroke 20" shaft moves it along at hull speed at about 2/3 throttle when I run it which isnt to often. If you shop around You can still find a new 6hp japanese 2 stroke left over or close to new for under $1000
40 year old outboard!!! over $400 way to much Ive got a 5200lb 26ft boat and an 8hp 2 stroke 20" shaft moves it along at hull speed at about 2/3 throttle when I run it which isnt to often. If you shop around You can still find a new 6hp japanese 2 stroke left over or close to new for under $1000
not trying to be know it all. Just talking out of interest
The picture of your motor looks like a short shaft but I'm not sure. People sometimes wrongly measure from the inside of transom clamp down to prop shaft. You should measure from high point inside transom clamp to the edge of cavitation plate that is above prop. When mismeasured, this difference is about 5 inches and sometimes confuses people on which shaft length they have. In my eyes proper shaft length insures enough prop in water to get a decent bite but just as important, insures powerhead is high enough that it does not get dunked when boat hobby horses or you have a following sea trying to overtake you. The powerhead on pictured motor is very low, relative to the transom clamp. For comparison, click on to outboards online. Bring up a Tohatsu 6 horse. See how much higher the power head is ? Just something to ponder and if I was sailing at this moment I wouldnt bring up the trivial, cause in this world there are nailers and there are sailors and given the choice, I'd rather be a sailor. Lance
The picture of your motor looks like a short shaft but I'm not sure. People sometimes wrongly measure from the inside of transom clamp down to prop shaft. You should measure from high point inside transom clamp to the edge of cavitation plate that is above prop. When mismeasured, this difference is about 5 inches and sometimes confuses people on which shaft length they have. In my eyes proper shaft length insures enough prop in water to get a decent bite but just as important, insures powerhead is high enough that it does not get dunked when boat hobby horses or you have a following sea trying to overtake you. The powerhead on pictured motor is very low, relative to the transom clamp. For comparison, click on to outboards online. Bring up a Tohatsu 6 horse. See how much higher the power head is ? Just something to ponder and if I was sailing at this moment I wouldnt bring up the trivial, cause in this world there are nailers and there are sailors and given the choice, I'd rather be a sailor. Lance
pupluv
I had the same thoughts when I bought my last outboard, after having a four stroke 8hp Nissan stolen. The extra 25-40 lbs. was the biggest reason I did not get another four stroke, even though my stolen 8hp ran like a quiet little clock and sipped gas. While an old motor is not immune to theft, a neighbors new motor is probably more attractive to a thief. If you have a deductible of $500 or $1000, if the $400 motor is stolen, you will not be out as much $ even though you didn't make an insurance claim. If you happen to find a good used long shaft motor (extra long even better) for around $400 I think it would be a good deal, look at some of the prices on the site I linked earlier. I would even pay more for a super clean motor if I was in the market. I could not to find any leftover new 8-15hp two strokes in 2004 when I was looking. Most dealers began selling off their two stroke inventories well before the 2006 emissions changes. You may have better luck. Those old motors were pretty much the same for many years if you find one that sat in a garage most of its life bad gas and dry rot (fuel pump, fuel lines or impeller are easy to change) are the usual problems and they are easy to remedy. An old motor that was used alot in salt water may have corrosion in the cooling system which would make it a bad buy. There are plenty of good old two strokes around.
I had the same thoughts when I bought my last outboard, after having a four stroke 8hp Nissan stolen. The extra 25-40 lbs. was the biggest reason I did not get another four stroke, even though my stolen 8hp ran like a quiet little clock and sipped gas. While an old motor is not immune to theft, a neighbors new motor is probably more attractive to a thief. If you have a deductible of $500 or $1000, if the $400 motor is stolen, you will not be out as much $ even though you didn't make an insurance claim. If you happen to find a good used long shaft motor (extra long even better) for around $400 I think it would be a good deal, look at some of the prices on the site I linked earlier. I would even pay more for a super clean motor if I was in the market. I could not to find any leftover new 8-15hp two strokes in 2004 when I was looking. Most dealers began selling off their two stroke inventories well before the 2006 emissions changes. You may have better luck. Those old motors were pretty much the same for many years if you find one that sat in a garage most of its life bad gas and dry rot (fuel pump, fuel lines or impeller are easy to change) are the usual problems and they are easy to remedy. An old motor that was used alot in salt water may have corrosion in the cooling system which would make it a bad buy. There are plenty of good old two strokes around.
Mac 25 Outboard
I owned a 1985 Mac 25 back in the mid 90s. We used an evinrude 8 HP and moved up to a 9 HP engine. Though these were both OK to move us along pretty well I would not reccomend anything smaller. Both were 2 Stroke long shaft engines.
I owned a 1985 Mac 25 back in the mid 90s. We used an evinrude 8 HP and moved up to a 9 HP engine. Though these were both OK to move us along pretty well I would not reccomend anything smaller. Both were 2 Stroke long shaft engines.
Check with Minney's in Costa Mesa, He rad a
really nice 10 hp Honda motor just like mine for $300. I almost picked it up as a back up. Mine continues to run great even after a dunking. Probably gone by now but he gets stuff in all of the time. Frank This is the motor at about 1/3 speed.
really nice 10 hp Honda motor just like mine for $300. I almost picked it up as a back up. Mine continues to run great even after a dunking. Probably gone by now but he gets stuff in all of the time. Frank This is the motor at about 1/3 speed.
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