Experience with Lite Skin jib – a mixed bag

Apr 11, 2020
782
MacGregor 26s Scott's Landing, Grapevine TX
Caveat – This is from my singular experience. I believe Lite Skin sails are an excellent product.

Condensed version:

The Good: Great sail, reasonably priced, definitely improves performance.

The Not So Good: Requires more pampering than Dacron sails for my application.

Longer version:

After less than a year of use, my hank-on Lite Skin jib showed excessive wear at the leech and had to be repaired (see photos). My sail supplier (thesailwarehouse.com) made the repair free of charge, but I was frustrated by Rolly Tasker’s responses when I made them aware of the problem. They repeatedly suggested that the damage was due to handling (folding at a seam) and chafing, even when I showed them with photographic proof that the area was not subject to folding or chafing. Flogging was mentioned as a possible culprit, but I don’t allow flogging other than in the minute or less it takes to raise the sail and bring in the jib sheet. Material failure was out of the question as far as RT was concerned, even though none of their suggested causes seemed plausible or consistent with what I was seeing. For instance, even though I fold my Lite Skin mainsail at the same points consistently I am seeing no undue wear as a result.

My expectation was that the “durable” Lite Skin material would stand up to being stored in my deck bag, as I had done with my Dacron foresails since I purchased my boat in 2020. Naturally, getting the Lite Skin sail in the deck bag requires flaking it, but my supplier says that is not the ideal way to store it, and that it would be better to remove it from the forestay and roll it up. I keep my boat in a slip five minutes from home, and love that I can hop on the boat and be on the lake in 15 minutes or less. Removing and rolling the jib would add considerably to that time, so is not really a good option for my situation.

Hopefully the repair will hold and I will experience no other issues.

My takeaways are:

-The Lite Skin jib is probably better suited for roller furling, as it allows quick deployment and retraction without folding.

-If your jib hanks on, the recommended storage method (per thesailwarehouse.com) would be to remove it and roll it up. It rankles me that this advice was not offered until after I experienced problems.

-Hold on to your old Dacron jib if you plan to store it in a deck bag and save the Lite Skin for race days.
 

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Jan 11, 2014
12,745
Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
Sorry you had a bad experience. As a general rule lighter weight high performance sails prefer to be rolled rather than folded, especially when they are laminated sails. Folding increases stress on the laminate, as one side is in tension and the other in compression. This can cause delamination and excessive wear on the fold.

Back in the day, we always rolled the racing sails, a real team effort on a J-35!

The loft probably should have advised you to always roll the sail before you bought it.

Here's the tech sheet for the sail cloth.

 
Apr 11, 2020
782
MacGregor 26s Scott's Landing, Grapevine TX
Thanks for that. I agree that I did not get proper guidance from the loft, and nowhere in the linked data sheet or other information I have seen online are there any recommendations for handling or storage.Folding was not the issue, though. No folding or chafing at the point of damage.
 
Jan 11, 2014
12,745
Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
It's hard to trace the origin of the damage. The initial damage could have occurred while the sail was being built. Your use made the damage more apparent.

The cloth construction seems rather unique, sort of like a felt or fiberglass mat between two sheets of plastic. if this is a newer fabric the loft may not have appreciated the need for special handling.
 
Apr 11, 2020
782
MacGregor 26s Scott's Landing, Grapevine TX
It's hard to trace the origin of the damage. The initial damage could have occurred while the sail was being built. Your use made the damage more apparent.

The cloth construction seems rather unique, sort of like a felt or fiberglass mat between two sheets of plastic. if this is a newer fabric the loft may not have appreciated the need for special handling.
I think your initial comment makes sense, and squares with the facts better than explanations offered by Rolly Tasker. They are the manufacturer (or loft if you will) and have made hundreds? Thousands? of sails with this material, so inexperience would not be a contributor, IMO.

My theory is that the material, manufactured by Dimension Polyant, had inherent flaws that contributed to the problem, if not flat out causing it. Arguably, if I had never sailed it, there would be no problem. My hope is that the damage will be only in that area and not manifest elsewhere.

I have ordered an "everyday" 5 oz Dacron sail used from Minney's and will save the Lite Skin for racing.
 

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Jan 26, 2005
1,271
C&C 110 Bay Shore, Long Island, NY
Sorry to hear of your troubles. I've got 4 sails with LiteSkin on both sides and have not experienced the problem shown in your photos. LiteSkin is used to increase the longevity of the sail as it increases abrasive resistance. It is not meant to provide structural integrity to a sail. It can be used with a multitude of sail materials like polyester, aramid and carbon that provide the actual strength to the sail. When you specify LiteSkin you are asking for a taffeta that can be on one or both sides of the sail. Before I purchased my sails I requested a sample of the fabric so I could do my own destructive tests. I sharply creased the material dozens of times at the same location and crumpled it up in a ball just as many times. The LiteSkin did not show any ill effects. The problem you are experiencing looks like it was caused by a blunt object not a fabric defect. Just curious, is the damage near a spreader or stanchion?
 
Apr 11, 2020
782
MacGregor 26s Scott's Landing, Grapevine TX
Sorry to hear of your troubles. I've got 4 sails with LiteSkin on both sides and have not experienced the problem shown in your photos. LiteSkin is used to increase the longevity of the sail as it increases abrasive resistance. It is not meant to provide structural integrity to a sail. It can be used with a multitude of sail materials like polyester, aramid and carbon that provide the actual strength to the sail. When you specify LiteSkin you are asking for a taffeta that can be on one or both sides of the sail. Before I purchased my sails I requested a sample of the fabric so I could do my own destructive tests. I sharply creased the material dozens of times at the same location and crumpled it up in a ball just as many times. The LiteSkin did not show any ill effects. The problem you are experiencing looks like it was caused by a blunt object not a fabric defect. Just curious, is the damage near a spreader or stanchion?
Thanks for the response. My research failed to turn up any significant complaints about the Lite Skin product, so I have no reason to believe there is any inherent problem with it.

From my original post: "the area was not subject to folding or chafing" so, no; nowhere near a spreader, stanchion, shroud, or any other possible point of chafing. The dealer even came out to the boat to look for himself and agreed that there were no such points of contact. When I first installed the sail, I did identify a rub point on the foot at the stanchions and applied self-adhesive Dacron as a sacrificial measure, but that was a few feet away from my problem area.

Your experience reinforces that opinion, and gives me reason to be optimistic that this is an isolated incident. Fingers crossed.
 
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