Exhaust hose total replacement ideas

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PERK

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May 17, 2004
10
Catalina 30 EVERETT , WA
Our surveyor says our complete exhaust hose ( aqualift to transom ) needs to be replaced due to some hairline cracking( closer to the transom )... any ideas on how to go about this seemingly impossible task ? it appears as though it may even have been installed prior to the deck going on ... Cat 30 /84 #5421 diesel

Perk
 

PERK

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May 17, 2004
10
Catalina 30 EVERETT , WA
Thanks so much Stu ... looks like fun , although the C30 is a little different with at least 4 openings the newer more flexable Trident corrugated hose will not pass through at 2-7/32" OS without overssizing the holes in some way ... I have a pro coming to give us a quote and he will just have to figure it out ... Perk
 
Jan 8, 2011
17
1981 Catalina 30 TRBS #2154 Northeast MD
I replaced the exhaust hose on our 1981 TRBS last year. The job is heinous but doable by one person in about 4-5 hours so long as you can crawl or bend into tight spaces and are not claustrophobic. I did not remove cabinetry or cut any new holes, but did take the door off the cabinet under the sink (see below).

Make sure it is not too hot and very important-do not crawl into a sail locker without ensuring the hasps can not close if the hatch closes on top of you-Sounds odd, but is a real danger if you are working alone (and a bit reminiscent of a tales from the crypt episode). I had reversed all the hatch clasps a while ago on my lockers to avoid any possibility of an accidental closure/lock should the seat/door slam down and was glad I had as I spent quite a bit of time in the sail locker inching hose into position and had the seat/door slam down over me several times. I would also suggest always keeping a cell phone handy in case you do get stuck as some positions can be a bit challenging.

In this endeavor, I used a hack saw to cut the old hose in 3 spots-in the transom well under the rear locker/lazarette (had to remove the hatch on the floor of the locker), in the large sail locker and in the main engine/muffler area. Mainly did this to make it easy to remove the hose in sections and to make it easier to work the hose off the transom exhaust fitting and off the muffler stem. Keep in mind, the hose is long and has pockets of skanky exhaust water that will drain at the most inopportune time-on you. Bring a bucket and have some old towels on hand. I suggest stuffing a rag in the ends of the hose as well as this will give some advanced notice of water about to drain.

Ultimately, it turned out to be easiest to work from the sail locker. I removed the old hose by working it through from the transom and from the cabin side after cutting the sections. Took a little effort but was not too hard.

Before removing, I tied a "finder line" to the old hose before pulling through so I could have some control of the new hose as I reversed the process. This was particularly important for the section going to the cabin.

Working in reverse, I took my new hose (courtesy of catalina direct) and tied the finder line to a hole I punched through the end and then began slowly feeding the hose through to the cabin, inch by painful inch. Note this requires climbing out of the locker, sticking your head into the cabinet under the sink and putting tension on the line, going back to the locker and feeding about 1-2 inches of hose (repeat about 40 times). There are 2 tough spots-one where the hose gets wedged between cabinet and hull and the other where a sharp turn into the cabinet under the sink occurs. These require a lot of working/nudging, etc. but are negotiable inch by inch.

The back end of the boat is a breeze in comparison and requires a similar process of applying tension on a feeder line while feeding in hose from the sail locker. There are no major bends/90 degree turns, so this is gratifyingly faster-though still requires some odd angles of position as you hang upside down in the lazarette pulling the hose toward and onto the transom fixture.

I ended up having to cut off about 2 feet of hose before placing on the transom exhaust fixture. A hack saw does this well and can be done after you have fed all the hose through (would NOT do this before you finish feeding hose through all aperatures as realizing your hose is too short at that stage will bring no joy).

If you have a willing accomplice, this can go much more quickly as one person tugs on the line while the other sits in the sail locker and feeds in hose inch by inch.

As above, it is a hideous and dirty job befitting Mike Rowe. However, once done, you will have an understanding of how the boat is set up that 99% of owners never have (though in truth most probably do not want).

Chris
 

PERK

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May 17, 2004
10
Catalina 30 EVERETT , WA
Thanks Running late ... got a sharp mechanic to help and it took about an hour to run 21' of new hose ... battery operated sawsall and heat gun cut it out quick ( left old inside wall )... drilled hole inside corner of port lazarett ... ran 90 degree off aqualift , under sole and three drawer cabinet , through lazarett , over control panel and down through stern lazarett hole( same as original ) ... heat gun gets it off and on the fittings ..
Thanks to all who participate in this forum
Perk
 
Aug 5, 2013
4
Catalina 30 Dana Point
Does anyone know if there should or shouldn't be an anti-syphon break in the hose? Pros / Cons? Do it or absolutely don't do it?
 
Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Does anyone know if there should or shouldn't be an anti-syphon break in the hose? Pros / Cons? Do it or absolutely don't do it?

Do NOT.

No fg----ing way.

Shouldn't do it.

Clear enough?

Just the hose from the muffler to the transom.

Easier said than done, but my earlier link showed how it can be done.

Please, don't put an anti-siphon on an exhaust hose.

Where did you ever get that idea? That might help us understand why you even thought about it.

Thanks.
 

PERK

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May 17, 2004
10
Catalina 30 EVERETT , WA
anti-siphon loop goes on the ingoing side to the aqua-lift muffler and trust me if there is a valve at the top that sticks as we did you will suffer hydrolock and all that goes with it ( been there done that twice)
Perk
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,001
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Yes, you're right.

BUT, BUT, BUT

He said "on the exhaust hose." See Reply #6.

C'mon, if he doesn't understand why an anti-siphon valve is needed on the water into the nipple, he has a completely different issue to deal with.
 
Jan 8, 2011
17
1981 Catalina 30 TRBS #2154 Northeast MD
Perk-re: clever mechanic-whatever it cost, it was money well spent.

My observation of siphon breaks-
As Stu notes-do not put an anti-siphon valve (or any valve) on exhaust hose. It should be a continuous hose from muffler to transom with no holes/cuts/interruptions. I replaced mine (see prior post of lament) because really old exhaust hoses can develop blisters/internal obstructions that yield soot/exhaust in boat and on transom of boat as well as potential CO poisoning (note- all boats should have a CO monitor). In the C-30 and other boats the exhaust hose does run from transom (low) to just under the gunwales (high) and then back down to the muffler(low)-This is primarily to keep following seas from flooding the muffler and secondarily the exhaust manifold/engine. Athough this looks like a setup for siphon effect, as the transom (should be) above waterline, a siphon valve will not help this. Old Catalinas had a rubber flap that was supposed to stop water being forced through the hose (now long gone). Catalina direct sells a metal transom exhaust port with flapper valve that does same if one is inclined to replace. My solution has been to sail when possible, live in denial, and stay out of large following seas....


Notably, there is a water hose that goes from your engine cooling system to the downward part of the exhaust manifold that helps cool off exhaust gas as it goes to the lift muffler (the nipple). This loop typically has a siphon break installed just under the sink. In theory this should not be a site of exhaust gas egress as water should be flowing through here when the engine is running, but even this could theoretically become an "exhaust leak" if a block occurred in the cooling system (again, why all boats should have a CO detector).

Happy sailing
R/L
 
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