Have a 2000 170. What can be done to lessen the time from trailer to sail? Have seen some posts in the archives on quick release pins and changes to the lines, but any other suggestions?
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John Kivel
organization and practice
Hi Phil, I am not sure how much sailing experience you have and how long you have been at this. So forgive me if I say something that is obvious to you. I was very frustrated a year ago reading posts claiming 20 minutes rigging and launching time, I was averaging about two hours. Someone from this forum e-mailed me a 24 step process for rigging the boat that cut my time to about 45 minutes, with practice I have cut it to about 35 minutes from pulling into the parking lot to being under sail. I keep the boat in the water most of the summer so I don't have to rig and launch every time. I am sure if I did my time would get even better. The check list really helped me. Sadly, all I can find is my printed copy and my scanner is broken, but I will try to e-mail the checklist to you if you think it would help. John kivel, Dexter MI PS. Can't remember who mailed it to me, but thanks again!!
Hi Phil, I am not sure how much sailing experience you have and how long you have been at this. So forgive me if I say something that is obvious to you. I was very frustrated a year ago reading posts claiming 20 minutes rigging and launching time, I was averaging about two hours. Someone from this forum e-mailed me a 24 step process for rigging the boat that cut my time to about 45 minutes, with practice I have cut it to about 35 minutes from pulling into the parking lot to being under sail. I keep the boat in the water most of the summer so I don't have to rig and launch every time. I am sure if I did my time would get even better. The check list really helped me. Sadly, all I can find is my printed copy and my scanner is broken, but I will try to e-mail the checklist to you if you think it would help. John kivel, Dexter MI PS. Can't remember who mailed it to me, but thanks again!!
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Phil
Thanks... check list..
A checklist makes a lot of sense so if you have something to send that would be great. I am also looking at changing pins to quick release and other ideas of the rigging. Will look for your checklist and then incorporate other suggestions from others too... thanks!
A checklist makes a lot of sense so if you have something to send that would be great. I am also looking at changing pins to quick release and other ideas of the rigging. Will look for your checklist and then incorporate other suggestions from others too... thanks!
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CarlG
Hate to do it - but Me Too Please
I just bought an '05 and have yet to even TRY to rig it yet, so any and all hints/tips would be apreciated. I'm also trying to find ways to do something other than those clevis rings. Thanks. Carl.
I just bought an '05 and have yet to even TRY to rig it yet, so any and all hints/tips would be apreciated. I'm also trying to find ways to do something other than those clevis rings. Thanks. Carl.
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Phil
look in archives to begin
Take a look in the archives as we build the fastest method to get to sailing. There are several posts on hardware, but am looking for a combination hardware changes and checklist to speed the process. Looking for wisdom from others...
Take a look in the archives as we build the fastest method to get to sailing. There are several posts on hardware, but am looking for a combination hardware changes and checklist to speed the process. Looking for wisdom from others...
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Mike G.
Practice and prioritizing/ordering
Well, heck, I'll throw my two cents in... I find that prioritizing helps me save time from trailer to water. That is, when I first get out of the car, I do stuff in order: Unload the gear/sailbags/food/aux. motor etc. first. Then loose all tie-downs/lines from the trailer/trailer mast crutch tie-down/stowed rigging (basically getting all out-of-boat stuff done first- so that I don't have to climb in and out of the boat, wasting time. Then I use a quick release pin to attach the furling jib to the mast. Next, with the topping lift line in hand, I walk the mast up and then, stepping fore of the mast with topping lift tight and very securely in hand, tighten and tie off the topping lift line on a bow cleat-- essentially using the topping lift as a forestay until I can attach the jibsail to the furler drum. Then I loose the main halyard d-shackle from its tie-down/cleat, swing it toward the bow, around the standing rigging/shrouds/spreaders and allow it to hang down, the d-shackle fully extended toward the ground. Then I climb out of the boat and walk the main halyard around to the bow. I detach the trailer winch hook from the bow eye, slacken the winch enough to hook the winch hook through the halyard d-schackle and turn the winch several cranks, bending the mast forward slightly. This creates enough tension to allow me to easily pin the jib/forestay cable to the furler drum (Again, using a quick release pin). No bloody knuckles thanks to simple mechanical advantage. Next I release the topping lift (which has been serving as a now-limp forestay) from the bow cleat. Next, back off the tension on the trailer winch and replace and tighten the winch hook back onto the bow eye (don't wanna loose the boat off the back as the trailer descends the ramp)! --and walk the halyard back to its normal position. Now proceed aft to the chainplates and tension the shrouds using Johnson shroud tighteners (see earlier posts describing these--- but once you specially dial in each levers' tightness for your rig, these babies are literally a snap). Proceed as normal with boom attachment (again, using a quick release pin), vang attachment, and mainsail "hanking"-on. Also for the mainsail, I used standard bungie cords (3) to lash the sail down to the boom and then tighten the mainsheet all the way in. This prevents the boom swinging and the sail from catching any windage when you're backing the boat in the water. As you know, the 170 will take off with the slightest windage. Attach motor, fuel up, put the plug in and back her in! Hope this helps. Once I had this process down, I went from driver's seat to captain's seat in 35 minutes! Happy sailing! Mike G. s/v Lil Sport
Well, heck, I'll throw my two cents in... I find that prioritizing helps me save time from trailer to water. That is, when I first get out of the car, I do stuff in order: Unload the gear/sailbags/food/aux. motor etc. first. Then loose all tie-downs/lines from the trailer/trailer mast crutch tie-down/stowed rigging (basically getting all out-of-boat stuff done first- so that I don't have to climb in and out of the boat, wasting time. Then I use a quick release pin to attach the furling jib to the mast. Next, with the topping lift line in hand, I walk the mast up and then, stepping fore of the mast with topping lift tight and very securely in hand, tighten and tie off the topping lift line on a bow cleat-- essentially using the topping lift as a forestay until I can attach the jibsail to the furler drum. Then I loose the main halyard d-shackle from its tie-down/cleat, swing it toward the bow, around the standing rigging/shrouds/spreaders and allow it to hang down, the d-shackle fully extended toward the ground. Then I climb out of the boat and walk the main halyard around to the bow. I detach the trailer winch hook from the bow eye, slacken the winch enough to hook the winch hook through the halyard d-schackle and turn the winch several cranks, bending the mast forward slightly. This creates enough tension to allow me to easily pin the jib/forestay cable to the furler drum (Again, using a quick release pin). No bloody knuckles thanks to simple mechanical advantage. Next I release the topping lift (which has been serving as a now-limp forestay) from the bow cleat. Next, back off the tension on the trailer winch and replace and tighten the winch hook back onto the bow eye (don't wanna loose the boat off the back as the trailer descends the ramp)! --and walk the halyard back to its normal position. Now proceed aft to the chainplates and tension the shrouds using Johnson shroud tighteners (see earlier posts describing these--- but once you specially dial in each levers' tightness for your rig, these babies are literally a snap). Proceed as normal with boom attachment (again, using a quick release pin), vang attachment, and mainsail "hanking"-on. Also for the mainsail, I used standard bungie cords (3) to lash the sail down to the boom and then tighten the mainsheet all the way in. This prevents the boom swinging and the sail from catching any windage when you're backing the boat in the water. As you know, the 170 will take off with the slightest windage. Attach motor, fuel up, put the plug in and back her in! Hope this helps. Once I had this process down, I went from driver's seat to captain's seat in 35 minutes! Happy sailing! Mike G. s/v Lil Sport
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Rusty
Speed Rigging the 170
Hi Guys, I sent the mentioned checklist to John a year or so ago. The 170 can easily be set up in 20 minutes if you set your mind to it, follow your pattern of activities and change out some hardware... throw those damn split rings overboard! Contact me via the HunterOwners site "Directory of Owners" and I will e-mail you a Word file that I put together for my family. It may work for you...maybe not. The file is not intended to allow you to race through the process, but it simply guides you through the process in an orderly manner so you are not repeatedly getting in to and out of the boat...THAT IS THE KEY!!! Godspeed, Rusty
Hi Guys, I sent the mentioned checklist to John a year or so ago. The 170 can easily be set up in 20 minutes if you set your mind to it, follow your pattern of activities and change out some hardware... throw those damn split rings overboard! Contact me via the HunterOwners site "Directory of Owners" and I will e-mail you a Word file that I put together for my family. It may work for you...maybe not. The file is not intended to allow you to race through the process, but it simply guides you through the process in an orderly manner so you are not repeatedly getting in to and out of the boat...THAT IS THE KEY!!! Godspeed, Rusty
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Phil
followup on word file
Rusty, There are 6 owners named Rusty on the site, non with owning a 170. Also, would be interested in the hardware changes you made to simplify the procedure. Can you send me the word file to Hallstedt5@sbcglobal.net? Thanks!
Rusty, There are 6 owners named Rusty on the site, non with owning a 170. Also, would be interested in the hardware changes you made to simplify the procedure. Can you send me the word file to Hallstedt5@sbcglobal.net? Thanks!
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Rusty
Actually there is currently...
...only one Rusty with a 170 (Russ Johnson is listed, but not really a Rusty I guess). The listed Rusty would be me. Boat's name is Rushing Wind. I have attached the link to the 170 Owners Directory, see the second page. I do not want to post my e-mail as it just tends to allow for to much junk. This site does a nice job of controlling it utilizing their e-mail system. I will drop the Word doc to you directly. It will be a while as the darn Snow plow just drove by and plowed me in. They only come by after the snow has been cleared from the driveway... As for the changes, there have been many. See my photo article entitled "Compilation of 170 Changes and Add Ons" posted to the 170 page of this site (in the Photo Article Section). Alternately search "COMPILATION and 170" from the general Photo/Project Forum under the Hunter Forum tab. I have to apologize for the quality and size of the images. I did a terrible job of sizing them. Really do not get to see the finished photo article until it is done, then it is too late. Look in your e-mail soon. Godspeed, Rusty
...only one Rusty with a 170 (Russ Johnson is listed, but not really a Rusty I guess). The listed Rusty would be me. Boat's name is Rushing Wind. I have attached the link to the 170 Owners Directory, see the second page. I do not want to post my e-mail as it just tends to allow for to much junk. This site does a nice job of controlling it utilizing their e-mail system. I will drop the Word doc to you directly. It will be a while as the darn Snow plow just drove by and plowed me in. They only come by after the snow has been cleared from the driveway... As for the changes, there have been many. See my photo article entitled "Compilation of 170 Changes and Add Ons" posted to the 170 page of this site (in the Photo Article Section). Alternately search "COMPILATION and 170" from the general Photo/Project Forum under the Hunter Forum tab. I have to apologize for the quality and size of the images. I did a terrible job of sizing them. Really do not get to see the finished photo article until it is done, then it is too late. Look in your e-mail soon. Godspeed, Rusty
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