Effect of Current on Amp Hour Capacity

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Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Recently I've read a few posts where folks state;

"At the rated 1A draw you'll get X amp hours." or "At the rated 5A draw you get X amp hours."

The Ah capacity used for deep cycle batteries in marine applications is a 20 hour Ah rating. Most all battery monitors need this 20 hour rating to be programmed correctly and most all reputable battery manufacturers of deep cycle batteries can supply you with the 20 hour Ah rating. They will also supply you with the Peukert factor for programming a battery monitor.

To figure the load your battery can support to deliver the same Ah's as the 20 hour rating you divide the rated 20 hour Ah capacity by 20.

100Ah Battery / 20 = 5A

So a 100 Ah battery can support a 5A load at 77F, for 20 hours, before falling to 10.5V which is considered end of test for the 20 hour capacity test.


60Ah Battery / 20 = 3A

So a 60Ah battery can only support a 3A load for 20 hours before hitting 10.5V.


130 Ah / 20 = 6.5A

And a 130 Ah battery can support a 6.5A load for 20 hours before hitting 10.5V.

As you can see the "rated load" is entirely dependent upon the Ah capacity of the specific battery in question and all while at a specific temperature of 77F. A 60Ah battery can not be applied the same load as a 160Ah battery and hit it's rated capacity over 20 hours.

So if your battery can deliver C/20 for 20 hours at 77F you have a battery with 100% of its rated capacity.

But there is a GOTCHA always is......


Here's the catch, it is called the Peukert Effect or Peukerts Formula though sometimes referred to as Peukerts Law, which it really is not.. In very simplistic terms it means that any average loads applied to the battery ABOVE the 20 hour rating can result in less usable Ah capacity before hitting your low voltage threshold. On the other hand any load BELOW the 20 hour rating can result in slightly more Ah capacity.

I think looking at the math will help. This is the mathematical formula on a 100Ah battery.

100 Ah Battery With A Peukert of 1.25:

100Ah Battery - 80 Load = 50 Ah Capacity

100Ah Battery - 50A Load = 56.23 Ah Capacity

100Ah Battery - 40A Load =59.5 Ah Capacity

100Ah Battery - 30A Load = 63.9 Ah Capacity

100Ah Battery - 20A Load = 70.7 Ah Capacity

100Ah Battery - 10A Load = 84 Ah Capacity

100Ah Battery - 5A Load =100 Ah Capacity

100Ah Battery - 3A Load = 113.6 Ah Capacity

100Ah Battery With - 1A Load = 149.5 Ah Capacity


Note: Increases in capacity, at slow rate discharge shown above, are from mathematical formula and usually do not = actual chemical capacity. Gains at slow discharge rates can range from 105% to 120% of capacity (thick plate batteries) but I've not seen much more...


I highlighted the 5A load in red because that is exactly what the divide Ah capacity by 20 gets you too, as I mentioned above.

As you can see any load above the rated capacity at the 20 hour Ah rating results in less Ah capacity. Any load below the 20 hour capacity rating and you have slightly more available Ah capacity..

This is why I almost always cringe when I see people wanting to use large inverters with 80A+ draws on the battery or bank. It can change your available usable capacity and without a properly programmed battery monitor you'll not know it.

It is also another reason why a larger bank with smaller applied loads tend to survive better.

Take a parallel bank of four 100Ah batteries. You now have a 20 hour rating that can support a 20A load, or 5A per battery, X 4 = 20A. When you run this bank at an average load of say 8A you might have 503Ah bank, in mathematical theory.

If you add just one more battery and make the bank 500Ah's and you'll have a 25A support load, BUT, apply the same 8A load and you have a bank that can deliver 665 Ah's using an average of an 8A load.

Conversely, size your bank small at 100Ah, which would have a 5A support, and still apply the same 8A load and you really only have an 89 Ah bank. Bank size vs. load matters and the bigger the bank and the lower the load the less capacity you use and thus the shallower the discharge cycle. Shallow discharges are good for the battery bank and deep discharges are bad.

This should help explain why we humans, unless perhaps you're Stephen Hawking, can't keep track of Ah capacity by simply watching the amp screen on a simple ammeter.

A battery monitor will make all these calculations for you internally and then represent them as a % of bank capacity. This of course only works well if it has been programmed correctly. For proper programming, at a minimum, you need the banks total Ah capacity, at the 20 hour rate, and the Peukert factor for your specific batteries.

Peukerts formula is waaaaay more complicated than I have explained it here, and is ever changing as your batteries age, but having your battery monitor set close to the manufacturers stated Peukert can result in an Ah counter that will be more accurate than one that is not properly programmed. Ah or Coulomb counter accuracy is a topic that could span pages and a topic for another day..
 

Bob S

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Sep 27, 2007
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Beneteau 393 New Bedford, MA
Excellent post! I learn every visit here. How do you factor in Defender selling a Sportsman GR31 battery @ 130ah, in my case x2 260ah that may actually have 105ah capacity or 210ah? I was a little disappointed reading that thread seeing I bought those batteries 3 seasons ago. i have to reprogram my battery monitor this spring.
Thanks again!
 

DanM

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Mar 28, 2011
155
Catalina 30 Galveston Bay
For anyone else that is using these Sam's Club 6v batteries, I emailed the manufacturer and was told that Peukert Exponent is 1.07 fyi, good info to have if you are using these batteries and the Victron monitor.

FWIW, these batteries still test like new just over two years since I've installed them, a lot of bang for the buck considering I paid less than $70 each for them. I am very gentle with them though and check the fluid level every 90 days or so.

DanM.
 

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Feb 6, 1998
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Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
For anyone else that is using these Sam's Club 6v batteries, I emailed the manufacturer and was told that Peukert Exponent is 1.07 fyi, good info to have if you are using these batteries and the Victron monitor.

FWIW, these batteries still test like new just over two years since I've installed them, a lot of bang for the buck considering I paid less than $70 each for them. I am very gentle with them though and check the fluid level every 90 days or so.

DanM.
Dan,

I would check with them again. Most of the 6V GC2 batteries I know of have a Peukert number of about 1.17 - 1.27. A T105 for example is 1.24. The Deka GC15 or Duracell EGC2 has a Peukert number of 1.27. Your number of 1.07 is in the AGM / TPPL range and even lower than Lifeline AGM's which it really can't be. Lifeline Batteries have one of the lower Peukert Numbers at 1.125...

The Interstate 6V batts used to be made by US Battery, don't know if they still are or not. The 215Ah model has a Peukert of about 1.18 and the 230Ah model has a Peukert of about 1.20.

If you can tell me the reserve minutes @25A for that battery and the 20 hour Ah capacity I can tell you the Peukert Number..
 
Jun 6, 2006
6,990
currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
I would confirm MS observation that “ humans,….. can’t keep track of AH capacity by simply watching the amp screen on a simple ammeter”
 
Apr 22, 2011
922
Hunter 27 Pecan Grove, Oriental, NC
I have always thought that the primary advantage of AGM batteries was that they could accept a much higher recharge rate than wet cell types. And after reading this thread, I think I see the reason why. The AGMs have a lower internal resistance than wet cells which is measured by a very low Peukert number.

On the flip side, AGMs can withstand a very high discharge rate and still maintain their 20 hour amp hour rating.

I'm concluding that if someone wants to use a high draw invertor and keep battery weight down, the AGMs would be the best choice even with a higher price tag.
 
Jun 6, 2006
6,990
currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
Hey heritage
The operative word is "much". I think you will find that for a given bank size the "much" is on the order of 5%.
AGMs also have some fairly specific charging requriments or you loose a lot of the advantage they provide. Alot of regulators can't be adjusted to provide the proper charging voltages so there is an additonal cost of the regulator that can.
 
Sep 28, 2008
922
Canadian Sailcraft CS27 Victoria B.C.
Charging voltages for AGM batteries are are very close to those of flooded batteries.
 
Jun 6, 2006
6,990
currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
Again "very close" is relative

The difference between a completely charged wet cell (13.6) and a pretty much dead one (11.0) is only 2.6 volts. The difference between a fully charged and a 50% charged is even less due to the SOC/volts curve flattening out at higher SOC.
So if you mean that 13.8 is close to 13.6 then I'd agree they are but that is not the point. They are quite a ways apart SOC wise.

The same argument for charging at 14.4 volts for wet cells vs what ever it is for AGM. Those 0.1ths of a volt matter quite a bit.
 
Jun 6, 2006
6,990
currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
And that is why a digital volt meter is kinda handy when you get old and the eyes fag out on you.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
The difference between a completely charged wet cell (13.6) and a pretty much dead one (11.0) is only 2.6 volts. The difference between a fully charged and a 50% charged is even less due to the SOC/volts curve flattening out at higher SOC.
So if you mean that 13.8 is close to 13.6 then I'd agree they are but that is not the point. They are quite a ways apart SOC wise.

The same argument for charging at 14.4 volts for wet cells vs what ever it is for AGM. Those 0.1ths of a volt matter quite a bit.
Bill,

The vast majority of wet cell batteries are 100% full with a rested OCV of 12.70 - 12.73V. 13.6V is a "float" charging voltage, not an indicator of SOC...


Trojan Battery OCV to % SOC (80f)

100% = 12.73

90% = 12.62

80% = 12.50

70% = 12.37

60% = 12.24

50% = 12.10

40% = 11.96

30% = 11.81

20% = 11.66

10% = 11.51

Every 10% of capacity is roughly a 0.1V difference....
 
Sep 28, 2008
922
Canadian Sailcraft CS27 Victoria B.C.
Bill

A fully charged wet battery is about 12.6 or higher and 50% is about 12.1 volts. Trojan's chart for flooded is below.

Also below is the charge voltages on a common marine charger (xantrex TrueCharge2). Note there is a .1 volt difference between AGM and flooded. Note also that the charger is accurate by +/- .1 volts.
 

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Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
I have always thought that the primary advantage of AGM batteries was that they could accept a much higher recharge rate than wet cell types. And after reading this thread, I think I see the reason why. The AGMs have a lower internal resistance than wet cells which is measured by a very low Peukert number.

On the flip side, AGMs can withstand a very high discharge rate and still maintain their 20 hour amp hour rating.

I'm concluding that if someone wants to use a high draw invertor and keep battery weight down, the AGMs would be the best choice even with a higher price tag.
Peukert for Lifeline AGM batteries is 1.125

100 Ah Lifeline AGM

100Ah Battery - 80 Load = 71 Ah Capacity

100Ah Battery - 50A Load = 75 Ah Capacity

100Ah Battery - 40A Load =77 Ah Capacity

100Ah Battery - 30A Load = 80 Ah Capacity

100Ah Battery - 20A Load = 84 Ah Capacity

100Ah Battery - 10A Load = 92 Ah Capacity

100Ah Battery - 5A Load =100 Ah Capacity

100Ah Battery - 3A Load = 106.5 Ah Capacity

100Ah Battery With - 1A Load = 122.2 Ah Capacity

Note: Lifeline discharge curves show approx 115Ah's at a 100 hour rate so the mathematical formula is pretty close.


You don't lose as much usable capacity under high load but also don't gain as many under light loads that are below the 20 hour rating. A deep cycle battery with a highish Peukert can be a benefit, in that it becomes a larger bank, when the average current drawn is below the 20 hour rating.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
I have two group 31 agm batteries and have been able to start my engine when the battery voltage was below 11 volts. It didn't spin as fast as when they are fully charged but it did work. They also got replaced.
 
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