Dynastart siezed and stopped the engine!

Oct 30, 2019
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Hi all, well I do not seem to have a dull moment! I was just about to leave the marina in Portugal this morning - they need to lift a footbridge and it exits into a river so there is quite a current - when just as I was releasing the last rope the engine stopped! I quickly re-attached myself and discovered that the dynastart had seized and that was the cause of the engine to stop.... 2 seconds later and I would have been blown into the , as yet, unopened bridge!!

Spanners out again and I removed it completely and started it by hand. I am now officially a "hand cranker".... whatever next!

I am now in Leixos (Portugal) and beginning to wonder if sailing is for me....

Cabin boy John

ps anyone got a dynastart they do not want?
 
Feb 5, 2002
37
The bearings may have seized up, those things run so hot as to melt
bearing grease out. I had a automotive electric shop install new bearings
in mine after it started making very unhappy noises. Might be someone in
your area could do a replacement at a reasonable cost.
Ric Eiserling, #935
 
Oct 2, 2005
465
John,
You've proven you're a sailor, the problem is the damn engine. You wouldn't be the first to sail on without one. I remember the story, but forget the name of the singlehander, who frustrated with mechanical problems disassembled his and scattered it, bit by bit, across the Indian Ocean. The boat can be rowed, standing up and facing forward, though I don't know how practical you would find that. In any case, I enjoy your posts and admire your pluck.

Craig Tern #1519
 
Nov 8, 2001
1,818
Hi John

Will be the main bearing. Can usually source locally. If a problem then I am sure I can find a Dynastart one somewhere.

Cheers

Steve BFrom: John Denney
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 8:10 PM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AlbinVega] Dynastart siezed and stopped the engine!
Hi all, well I do not seem to have a dull moment! I was just about to leave the marina in Portugal this morning - they need to lift a footbridge and it exits into a river so there is quite a current - when just as I was releasing the last rope the engine stopped! I quickly re-attached myself and discovered that the dynastart had seized and that was the cause of the engine to stop.... 2 seconds later and I would have been blown into the , as yet, unopened bridge!!

Spanners out again and I removed it completely and started it by hand. I am now officially a "hand cranker".... whatever next!

I am now in Leixos (Portugal) and beginning to wonder if sailing is for me....

Cabin boy John

ps anyone got a dynastart they do not want?
 
Oct 30, 2011
221
Thanks Steve, I shall strip it down tomorrow.... meanwhile......
Long leg from Leixos to Fuengrillo de Fos (or similar) today. Wind
died as I left the marina at 7.00 am and I ended up motoring the whole
way - 12 hours! I am now deaf as a post but the good news is the
"bodge" oil leak fix stood up to a harsh test and the water leak is
cured (water was leaking from the exhaust thing) . However, at the
11th hour just as I was approaching the harbour entrance I could smell
burning - oh bugger, what now thinks I...... thick black smoke was
pouring from the stern - I thought it was a blown engine and dived
down to expose the engine to see the fanbelt just about to destroy
itself - it needed tightening but now was not the time to stop the
engine. I left it and clambered back up to find that Ray (Raymarine
ST 2000 - new last month) had decided to aim for the mole at the
entrance to the marina - much to the amusement of the local anglers!
I disengaged it (it is buggered - one days hard work - what a load of
crap!) and watched as clouds of smoke poured from the engine
compartment and the stern. Hmmm why from the stern... ? Now, I have
learnt that if I let go of the tiller terrible things happen so I
stuck it between the cheeks of my arse and peered into the engine
compartment - hmmm... no flames just a badly frayed and soon to be
dead fanbelt... Time for tiller pilot No 2 - a quick wave to the
crowd of spectators/ fishermen on the mole (always need to show a
stiff upper lip when visiting the colonies) and a mad dash below to
search for the spare tillerpilot. I return triumphant with it clasped
tightly to by bosom as I steer the boat away from the rocks..... I
wonder why this damn boat insists on trying to scuttle itself every
time I leave it alone for a second? Anyway I fit the spare (an old
one of dubious origin) and set it up. That was easier said than done
because when you turn the dial left it goes right and vice versa. The
fishermen had now stopped fishing and were greatly amused by the crazy
English man doing elegant zig zags along the harbour entrance whilst
making enough smoke to hide the Graff Spey. No doubt tomorrows
newspapers will be reporting a water born attack on the harbour by
British Royal Marines disguised as yachties! After committing to
memory that left is right and right is left I pointed the beast at the
marina some 400m away and proceeded to open the rear locker to be
greeted by a billow of smoke and a smell I was now familiar with -
melting rope....... yes - most of my nylon mooring lines and a couple
of fender for good measure had been melted to globs of nylon / plastic
by the obviously very hot exhaust... oh bugger! Out it all came and
the cockpit was full of partally melted ropes and fenders which I (of
course) trampled on with my naked feet and did a passable Irish jig to
an admiring crowd of Portuguese. Jesus was I pissed off at this
stage......

Anyway, the marina was getting very close now and I had not called
them on VHF and the 2 yachts that were behind me had overtaken so I
followed on as I scampered about trying to attach 6 bloody fenders and
4 bits of mooring rope (all now too short and still warm). I was
sweating and rather stressed but there... last bit of rope
attached ...Jesus where the XXXX am I going! Tiller pilot number 2
had decided he had had enough and was also attempting to drive me into
the harbour wall... a full 90 degrees off course.... Needless to say,
I was now the centre of attraction and even the 2 yachts ahead had
slowed down to observe the pantomime.

I stood erect at the tiller, adjusted my cap and sunglasses and
serenely continued as if everything was absolutely normal (damn near
was actually) and entered the marina with my red ensign fluttering
bravely. My heart sank.... there was a nasty big wall (arrivals) with
2 yachts tied to it and 2 waiting ...... err...... so.... I need to
hover? To cut a long story short I somehow managed to keep Cirrus
from damaging anything by a combination of prayer and waggling both
the tiller and the throttle. (I think the prayer was by far the most
effective) until it was my turn to be invited to the "wall".... I have
to say my approach was good (if slow) and the landing was pretty good
to, so I proudly strode to the pointy end to pass up my rope - yes..
it was too bloody short so I got the one from the other side (I always
assume I will need at least 6 mooring ropes everywhere I go) and tied
it to it... the man looked at the badly melted ends and smiled. A
quick sprint to the blunt end and voila - the rope just reaches the
top of the wall and I immediately shut down the smoking engine and try
my best to look cool. I can just about get onto the quayside and
proceed to the harbour masters office to complete the paperwork, which
for some reason has the 2 officials in pleats of laughter..... how
many engines do I have and what is the horsepower, when was the boat
built etc....(I later found out that my face was black with oily
smudges). "Ok, now you go first pontoon - last one next big ketch"
- no problem says I and proceed to the wrong door - eventually found
the right one (I pretended I was reading the notice on the door - but
I don't think they fell for my ruse as they gathered I spoke no
Portuguese). Back out into the bright sunshine and it hit me that I
need to move the damn thing again..... it was so busy and so crowded I
toyed with the idea of feigning a heart attach there and then.
Needless to say, the bulldog spirit kicked in and I thought I would
have a gentle stroll over to the pontoons to check out the "last one
next big ketch" before firing up the beast again... the man came out
of the office and passed me my sunglasses, shower code, gate entry fob
and cap - all of which I had left on his desk. No wonder I thought it
was bright.... "you go now.... many more boats...." Oh well - what
the xxxx, I was passed caring. Deftly dropped into the cockpit and
disappeared below to remove the step, remove the front, find the
starting handle, insert same, grope for the de-compression lever, turn
the mother over and she fires up 1st time. I put all the woodwork
back, go upstairs and signal the chap to let go the pointy end - he
bursts out laughing and releases the front as I untie the stern
realising that I am covered in black rubber dust from the worn out
fanbelt - right up both arms and all over my face and t - shirt.
Right - enough is enough..... I gunned the engine and rounded the
corner towards my alloted space - hmmm.... bit tricky but I can do
this.... ok now remember the stern will kick in so you can give it
some beans in reverse and it should be perfect...... looking good
maybe a bit too fast.. ok loads of reverse and she will kick...... oh
shit - wrong way! Damn thing kicked out did't it.... what a flamin'
nightmare... I was at a jaunty 45 degree angle jammed between the
pontoon and a Beneteau something or other.... I won't bore you with
the rest.... I am here and only my pride was hurt - just need to get
it all cleaned up and sorted tomorrow...... how hard can it be........

Cabin Boy John
 
Nov 8, 2001
1,818
Hi John

Wonderful description... Felt I was there! Many the time I feigned ignorance
whilst hitting pontoons at 45 degrees

Check why exhaust was so hot, perhaps not enough water getting through? Do
you have the straight exhaust (original)? Perhaps a photo?

Good on yer mate, fair winds and tides.

Cheers Steve B
 
Oct 19, 2019
921
Albin Vega 27 Limerick
John I'm sitting here trying to eat my breakfast breaking my backside laughing.
We knew you were an accomplished sailor after Biscay - now we know you are a fantastic writer!!

Great job and great post....

John V1447 Breakaway

John Kinsella
Mathematics and Statistics Dept
University of Limerick

Phone 0035361202148
Web jkcray.maths.ul.ie
 
Oct 30, 2011
221
Cheers Steve, Yes it is the straight exhaust. (will take pic today) A
big fat rubber pipe goes from the engine to the stern (I think there
is a metal pipe inside it?) where the metal bit turns upwards into a
u bend and a thinner tube (the bit that was leaking) also goes up to a
rubber bellows type thing and then down to the bit where it exits the
boat. The rope etc was touching the metal bit of the exhaust as it
exits the boat. The engine had been running all day - 11 hours at
this stage so I guess it was well and truly warmed up! The engine
temp was normal all the way and there seems to be plenty of water
coming out of the exhaust.

The combi rear oil seal did not leak a drop, which I am pleased about,
the three oil seals held in place by Q10 and epoxy putty seem to be
doing the trick. I was getting 7 kts (sog) out of her which amazed me
and all the other yachts that were trying to keep up with me! I have
to say that although I seem to be plagued with problems the boat is
truly amazing. It sails fast (new sails by Quay sails are fantastic),
motors fast and seems to be generally easy to sail. When I have
sorted out all the problems and had a bit more practice at maneuvering
I will be able to relax a bit!

I have had a good nights sleep and I am getting ready for todays set
of repairs. I have not been "ashore" yet in Portugal - too busy
fixing stuff!

I am trying to decide what to do about the engine - the actual engine
seems fine - it is the ancillary bits that are giving me trouble. Do
I bite the bullet and buy a new Beta or run this engine for a bit
longer and see how it goes? I am moving slowly further away from the
UK - I need to think about a place to fit the engine if I do decide on
a replacement... My original plan was to sail to the Canaries but I
doubt that will happen now.

Does anyone know of a cheap marina on the south coast of Spain or
southern Portugal where I could stop for a month or so and get a new
engine in? Or do I just keep going and hope for the best? Or maybe
keep going into the Med and find somewhere in France to lay up and
lick my wounds... I used to be indecisive but now I am not so sure.
Any comments or advice very welcome.

John
 
Nov 8, 2001
1,818
Hi John

From my experience both France and Spain are very expensive... Mind you that
was a few years ago.

Your exhaust is a large diameter rubber pipe that surrounds many small
stainless tubes that carry the seawater, this cools the large tube which
carries the exhaust fumes, they are joined together just at the swan-neck
hence the term Dry Exhaust. They all finally give up the ghost aither at the
swan-neck and/or along the small pipes.

Cheers

Steve B
 
Oct 30, 2019
574
Hi John - I apologize up front that I have absolutely no helpful advice save this, keep writing! I might also suggest that you keep the MD6A as it provides a seemingly inexhaustible supply of extraordinarily funny anecdotes!

Best of luck in your travels!
Jack
Belle - V2620
 
Oct 30, 2011
221
Hi all, I am very near to having a sense of humour failure! I have
been to get some exhaust repair bandage in the vain hope that I can
fix it long enough to get to the next port - Nazare, where the manager
is English and it is quite cheap - hopefully I can sort it out there.

Steve - looks like a Beta is now essential if I am to continue - I
will, hopefully, be in Nazare tomorrow and I will let you know how I
intend to proceed. At the moment a shotgun cartridge through the hull
is tempting! :)

Engineer John
 
Oct 30, 2011
221
.... the saga continues:

My engineering trip, sorry I mean sailing trip, is keeping me very busy. I am permanently covered in oil, grease ans soot from my delightful engine. I have spent yet another day with my arse pointing at the sun and my head in the bottom of the boat.

Firstly, the 2 tiller pilots were taken apart and the brand new ST2000+ had just about destroyed itself - I have only used it these last 2 weeks whilst sailing / motoring in the Spanish Rias and it has stripped its belt and destroyed its rubber damper thing. I found loads of bits of solder inside and it looks like it was built as a kiddies toy. Really pissed me off that I was relying on it to steer the boat. They should be taken to court and sent to prison for endangering peoples lives - it is a disgrace that it only lasted 2 weeks of work!

The other one is better built but relies on a bit of string to drive the mechanism - yes a bit of string! It had come loose so I have wound it back into place and it seems to work now - to its credit I guess it is about 30 years old! Hence my steering problems yesterday!


Anyway after buggering about with them all morning I arranged a ride to the nearest "Halfords" type place and bought some exhaust repair bandage and some epoxy and some degreaser - it came to £80!!!!! Got a taxi back to the boat and set about taking out the exhaust - not easy! I was as black as the ace of spades (covered in soot and oil..) and discovered that the exhaust had failed at the weld to the flange due to the rubber supports at the rear also failing....my sense of humour is struggling to keep up with all of these disasters!

Anyway - everything is now in bits and I have arranged for a Portuguese chap to weld it back together tomorrow - at least I think that is what we agreed - maybe I will get a vasectomy instead... I really should have bought a Portuguese phrase book!

so far..
compass peed out all its oil
fuel pump died mid Biscay
sheet block broke mid Biscay
various lights and the AIS failed mid Biscay
depth sounder drinks its extra virgin olive oil and gives 2M readings which give me heart failure (slow leak - now fixed)
oil leaked from combi
water leaked from exhaust
dynastart seized
fan belt broke
both tiller pilots failed within 5 mins of each other just as entering harbour
rubber exhaust supports failed
exhaust flange weld failed
exhaust pipe burnt through ropes and fenders
exhaust pipe burnt part way through stern - you can see daylight!

... everything is fixed except the exhaust which I will do tomorrow. I must be the first person in history to visit foreign lands and not have time to see them!
I shall try to keep smiling but this is getting to be a test of wills. Me versus the Volvo... I think it is winning at the moment!

Many thanks to all for the kind words and encouragement - it gets a bit lonely out here and my enthusiasm starts to wane a bit but tomorrow is another day!

Time to climb into my sleeping bag and dream of a new engine, light winds and dusky maidens....aaahhhh....

John Kins... hi matey - I will try to keep going as long as I can - glad you had a good laugh - it really is hilarious - so many things have happened it is unbelievable. I have it all noted down in my diary and I shall type it all up asap - only typed up as far as La Coruna so far.. 3 weeks behind!

Greasy John....