Would appreciate some advice or comments from seasoned vetrans. I am about to purchase a 1988 Catalina 22, wing keel, from the original owner. She has only used it 3 seasons, the last being 1995. It has been sitting on the trailer for 6 years. The motor is a 6 hp Sailmaster, also used only 3 seasons. Everything appears to be in good shape. The questions are: What are the negatives from being dry so long? Can the wiring, electronics be tested with the mast down? Is the 6 hp motor sufficient to motor through the heavy turbulance of Cape Cod Canal and mouth of the North/South Rivers? This boat would be moored in an active river with 6 knot current and large wakes (even though no wake zone). Your comments and suggestions would be much appreciated before I make the plunge. Bob H Scituate
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George
dry stuff and testing electric
Given that the boat is fiberglass I would be surprized if the length of time out of the water has had any real negative effect on the boat itself. Our Capri 22 was out for several years before we got it and we had no problems there. The issues for me that would come up regarding its being in dry storage so long would be related to the conditions it was stored under and how that might have effected several things. Let me say that I am assuming that when it was stored it was stored with some thought to properly closing the boat up. First, I would check all of the rigging to make sure that it is still in good shape. Make sure that all fittings are solid, and look for fraying wire or line. If you don't mind spending a little extra, this may be a good time to go through the entire boat and replace all of the halyards and sheets with new ones. That way you know that you aren't going to be surprized by a failure of a line that has been sitting exposed to weather for years. Look for any rust and check all the cotter pins, etc.. We found it to be a good idea to replace all of the cotter pins, (half were not stainless when we got the boat) with new stainless ones. Second, Check the sails to be sure that they have not suffered from some sort of rot, etc., from being stored wet or damp, etc. In regard to the motor, I would not try to start it myself, but would figure that it is in good shape (subject to the seller paying to repair it if it isn't), and I would take it to my local outboard dealer and tell them what the story is and have them service it, and start it for you. That way any problems associated with lack of lubrication in the cylinders, etc. will be dealt with and you won't have any damage from it. On the electronics and wiring, you should be able to test those with a multimeter. A guy named Nigel Calder (sp?) wrote a great reference book on boat repair and maintenance, which I have found to be a wonderful resource for dealing with things like this. It runs about $40, but is well worth the price. It has directions on how to test things like the wiring in the mast, etc. I can't comment on the strength of motor you will need, but it sounds like absent any serious problems, you may have found a real good boat. Good luck....
Given that the boat is fiberglass I would be surprized if the length of time out of the water has had any real negative effect on the boat itself. Our Capri 22 was out for several years before we got it and we had no problems there. The issues for me that would come up regarding its being in dry storage so long would be related to the conditions it was stored under and how that might have effected several things. Let me say that I am assuming that when it was stored it was stored with some thought to properly closing the boat up. First, I would check all of the rigging to make sure that it is still in good shape. Make sure that all fittings are solid, and look for fraying wire or line. If you don't mind spending a little extra, this may be a good time to go through the entire boat and replace all of the halyards and sheets with new ones. That way you know that you aren't going to be surprized by a failure of a line that has been sitting exposed to weather for years. Look for any rust and check all the cotter pins, etc.. We found it to be a good idea to replace all of the cotter pins, (half were not stainless when we got the boat) with new stainless ones. Second, Check the sails to be sure that they have not suffered from some sort of rot, etc., from being stored wet or damp, etc. In regard to the motor, I would not try to start it myself, but would figure that it is in good shape (subject to the seller paying to repair it if it isn't), and I would take it to my local outboard dealer and tell them what the story is and have them service it, and start it for you. That way any problems associated with lack of lubrication in the cylinders, etc. will be dealt with and you won't have any damage from it. On the electronics and wiring, you should be able to test those with a multimeter. A guy named Nigel Calder (sp?) wrote a great reference book on boat repair and maintenance, which I have found to be a wonderful resource for dealing with things like this. It runs about $40, but is well worth the price. It has directions on how to test things like the wiring in the mast, etc. I can't comment on the strength of motor you will need, but it sounds like absent any serious problems, you may have found a real good boat. Good luck....
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Tim Pinkham
Bigger is better
Hi, I have a Yamaha 9.9 hi-thrust outboard on my C22. I am moored on a river that flows at about 6 knots on an out going tide. I can make headway fighting the tide but not much more. Of course at 6 knots you're pretty close to hull speed anyway. Even so I would get a bigger outboard. Good luck, Tim Dover, NH
Hi, I have a Yamaha 9.9 hi-thrust outboard on my C22. I am moored on a river that flows at about 6 knots on an out going tide. I can make headway fighting the tide but not much more. Of course at 6 knots you're pretty close to hull speed anyway. Even so I would get a bigger outboard. Good luck, Tim Dover, NH
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Pete
You will have problems
fighting a 6 knot current with a 6 hp. motor. Our C22 had a 6 hp motor and it never went over 5 knots under power.
fighting a 6 knot current with a 6 hp. motor. Our C22 had a 6 hp motor and it never went over 5 knots under power.
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Bob H.
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Thanks all for the much needed advice. Will go with the 10 hp motor and will replace halyards, sheets, pins, etc. Looking forward to joining the ranks of a most excellent group of Catalina 22 owners. Thanks again. Bob H. Scituate
Thanks all for the much needed advice. Will go with the 10 hp motor and will replace halyards, sheets, pins, etc. Looking forward to joining the ranks of a most excellent group of Catalina 22 owners. Thanks again. Bob H. Scituate
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Dave LaPere of Nature's Cradle
Outboard motor bracket
Hi There, I have read all the replies so far and have to say that in your situation a 6hp motor is too small. Before you spend the money to get that 10hp o.b. find out the weight of that motor. The reason I say this , most of the newer Cat 22's o.b. motor brackets are only rated for up to 90 lbs. Anything beyond that and opening the throttle may give you a big surprise !!!!!!!! You might just find yourself taking on water like a fellow sailor did from Lake Mead here in California. I use a Honda 7.5hp on my 22. It has plenty of power, but weighs in at about 79 lbs. Yes this is a 4 stroke as well. Just the fact that you are moving against a 6 knot current will be adding stress that may not have been factored in during design, so before you opt for that big 10hp o.b. do yourself a favor and rent a 7.5 or 8hp and see if that doesn't meet your needs. Also check for leaks and cracks where the o.b. bracket connects to the hull. Happy Sailing. Dave LaPere
Hi There, I have read all the replies so far and have to say that in your situation a 6hp motor is too small. Before you spend the money to get that 10hp o.b. find out the weight of that motor. The reason I say this , most of the newer Cat 22's o.b. motor brackets are only rated for up to 90 lbs. Anything beyond that and opening the throttle may give you a big surprise !!!!!!!! You might just find yourself taking on water like a fellow sailor did from Lake Mead here in California. I use a Honda 7.5hp on my 22. It has plenty of power, but weighs in at about 79 lbs. Yes this is a 4 stroke as well. Just the fact that you are moving against a 6 knot current will be adding stress that may not have been factored in during design, so before you opt for that big 10hp o.b. do yourself a favor and rent a 7.5 or 8hp and see if that doesn't meet your needs. Also check for leaks and cracks where the o.b. bracket connects to the hull. Happy Sailing. Dave LaPere
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Bob H.
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I've done some research and found the Tohatsu 9.8 weighs in at 59 lbs. Combined with a high thrust sail prop, it should provide all the power I will need with less weight than the original 6 hp Johnson that was on it. Hadn't thought about the stress on the motor mount. With the lighter weight, hopefully the torque won't cause excessive strain. Just bought the boat yesterday without the motor. Looking at all options now. Thanks for the advice. Bob H. Scituate
I've done some research and found the Tohatsu 9.8 weighs in at 59 lbs. Combined with a high thrust sail prop, it should provide all the power I will need with less weight than the original 6 hp Johnson that was on it. Hadn't thought about the stress on the motor mount. With the lighter weight, hopefully the torque won't cause excessive strain. Just bought the boat yesterday without the motor. Looking at all options now. Thanks for the advice. Bob H. Scituate
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