Drifting for the purposes of fishing

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Spence

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Sep 29, 2013
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Sloop Halman 20 Marina
I was wondering how a sloop can simply stop for fishing in various weather conditions. I'm not talking about hurricane force, that is obvious. Is a sea anchor always necessary or a good idea? Can you just drift? How do you prevent beam on rolling, is there a trick to good "parking" on the open ocean?

I wouldn't worry in a well balasted Dory, but a small sloop I wouldn't have a clue how to prepare for it. Now under sail alone without fishing there isn't too much of a problem for me, but dead stop present it's own procedures.

I'll be fishing a lot so I would need to get to know the methods.

Thanks for answering my silly question:).
 

Kermit

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Jul 31, 2010
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AquaCat 12.5 17342 Wateree Lake, SC
Dead stop implies (to me, anyway) bottom fishing over a reef. You could always drop anchors from the stern and the bow. An artificial reef increases the probability of hanging your anchor to the point of losing it, though.

I don't really know if this is what you're asking about but I hope it helps. My son-in-law and I did this from his Key West center console boat in about 60 feet of water. Caught lots of sea bass.
 

Kermit

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Jul 31, 2010
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AquaCat 12.5 17342 Wateree Lake, SC
Oops. Just reread your question. I don't think my answer us what you're looking for. My bad!
 

jviss

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Feb 5, 2004
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Tartan 3800 20 Westport, MA
Heave-to. Boat becomes very stable and calm. Maneuver as if to tack but leave the jib as-is. When the wind comes over, bring the rudder back and about 15º the other way. It should just sit there making 1.5 knots or so.
 
Nov 26, 2012
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Catalina 250 Bodega Bay CA
With sails up just "heave to" and with sails down do use a sea anchor. Either method should cut you down to a knot or two for mooching. Chief
 
Jan 22, 2008
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NorSea 27 Az., Doing the To-Do list
Mar 20, 2012
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Cal 34-III, MacGregor 25 Salem, Oregon
ive spent a lot of time fishing the reefs here in the PNW, as well as halibut fishing,salmon fishing and just dragging along the bottom to see what you can catch. Ive done this from a powerboat and it isnt any different from a sailboat EXCEPT you can heave to in a sailboat.
you can troll under sail or motor... you can use the motor to hang over a reef... you can heave to under sail to slow you down, but not stop. with the additional use of the proper size sea anchor you can slow down some more. the speed over ground depends on the sea conditions, current and the wind....
as for the rolling on the beam, it isnt any different than in a powerboat cuz if the boat wants to lay beam to the sea , its gonna roll.
as for the comment about a "well ballasted dory", any decent sailboat is better ballasted than any dory ever built, and will handle rougher weather. im not knocking dorys as they are at the top of the list for their type and purpose, but a sailboat has somewhat of a self righting ability built into it, whereas a dory does not.
sailboats in general, as we know them, werent designed as a fishing boat, but many fishing boats in history have been purpose built with sails as a means of additional propulsion. they didnt use different methods for fishing from them, but learned to use the sails to help control the boat for what they needed..

on a calm day I always enjoyed running upwind a few miles over a clean sandy bottom, then tossing out a couple drogues and letting the lines drag along the bottom with a substantial weight and a 3-5ft leader... then set back, drift along and take a snooze.
sand dabs, flounder and other types of sole fish can easily be caught this way if the speed isnt too fast, but its anybodys guess what type of creature you will see when you get it to the surface.
for bottom fishing on a reef, hover over the reef with the motor. this is a lot easier if the reef breaks the surface so you have a bearing and visual to hover by.... a shrimp fly rig with a piece of squid on the hook will insure you wont be on the reef fishing for very long.

if the boat lays beam to the sea, use a drogue from either the bow or the stern, then the rolling will turn to pitching, but you can attach the drogue to the boat at any place along the rail so that it will lay at any angle you want it to.


use the sea anchor, the heave to method and the motor, either alone or in combination with each other and learn the technique it takes to fish in anyway you want from your sailboat. all boats are different and different owners have identical boats set up differently so you need to find what works the best for you, because it can be done without much changing of style.... if fishing becomes an effort, you arent doing it right!:D
 
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zeehag

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Mar 26, 2009
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1976 formosa 41 yankee clipper santa barbara. ca.(not there)
put the boat in irons, is easy to do and easy to get out of.
 

jviss

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Feb 5, 2004
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Tartan 3800 20 Westport, MA
put the boat in irons, is easy to do and easy to get out of.
Putting the boat in irons will temporarily stop the boat, but it will eventually fall off one way or the the other and start sailing again. Until it does the sails will flail, adding significant wear to them and shortening their life.

If you want a stable, stopped or calm position, heaving-to is the desirable state.

"In irons" is not a stable, nor desirable condition.

Here's a good article on heaving-to:

http://www.gosailing.info/Heaving%20To.htm
 

jviss

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Feb 5, 2004
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Tartan 3800 20 Westport, MA
it is perhaps important to note that being in irons is not a state during which you have any significant control over the boat; you are not sailing, i.e., the sails are not pulling, and you likely have no, or little steerageway, so no ability to steer the boat. Boats in irons often get our only after moving backwards a bit, and falling off onto one tack or the other, going backwards at first. You are not on one tack or the other, so it's not clear whether you are the stand on or keep clear vessel in a crossing situation. You are generally not in control of the vessel when in irons.

Hove-to, on the other hand, is a condition during which one has continuous, positive control of the boat, making way, making steerage-way, albeit at a rather slow speed - which is what is desired. When hove-to on a starboard tack, you are the stand-on vessel.

A good illustration of this is when sailing and the Coast Guard wants to board; you don't "go in irons" for them to board, you heave-to. In fact, they may ask you to heave-to. They would never ask or direct you to "go in irons" so they could board. The concept is ridiculous.
 

Spence

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Sep 29, 2013
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Sloop Halman 20 Marina
Thanks everyone for the help. My knowledge of sailing terminology is dismal at this stage but you guys helped in clearing up a lot of the puzzle. If you already mentioned something I repeat in other ways, I apologize.

Slocum mentioned once he set up a small mast for a tight tri sail at the stern. This along with his sea anchor was able to steady the Spray into the wind. I guess this is what I had in mind when I asked. I think this is when he was ill and he was hallucinating and was out of it a day or two.

I wasn't clear, but context included dead stop in open seas comfortable enough for a day's fishing without being overly alarmed at the various circumstances one may find himself, save for stormy conditions of course. (Even in this case I would guess one man's storm is another's cake walk depending on one's confidence and experience). I have in my mind's eye a two man dory with a crew minding to nets similar to my avitar. They are out till sunset when the schooner finally picks them up filled to the gunnels. Maybe it's just me and I have difficulty visualizing a pleasure craft of a different design but same length at a dead stop doing the same thing. They are always under way.

I appreciate the tips and articles and I've learned a lot. Thanks.

Great forum here!
 
Mar 20, 2012
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Cal 34-III, MacGregor 25 Salem, Oregon
Thanks everyone for the help. My knowledge of sailing terminology is dismal at this stage but you guys helped in clearing up a lot of the puzzle. If you already mentioned something I repeat in other ways, I apologize.

Slocum mentioned once he set up a small mast for a tight tri sail at the stern. This along with his sea anchor was able to steady the Spray into the wind. I guess this is what I had in mind when I asked. I think this is when he was ill and he was hallucinating and was out of it a day or two.

I wasn't clear, but context included dead stop in open seas comfortable enough for a day's fishing without being overly alarmed at the various circumstances one may find himself, save for stormy conditions of course. (Even in this case I would guess one man's storm is another's cake walk depending on one's confidence and experience). I have in my mind's eye a two man dory with a crew minding to nets similar to my avitar. They are out till sunset when the schooner finally picks them up filled to the gunnels. Maybe it's just me and I have difficulty visualizing a pleasure craft of a different design but same length at a dead stop doing the same thing. They are always under way.

I appreciate the tips and articles and I've learned a lot. Thanks.

Great forum here!
the men depicted in the boat in your avatar are not sitting in one place. that type of fishing is called long lining, and the boat is always in motion.

I hope you have no visions of loading your boat to the gunnels with fish, cuz there is really no point in that:D.... and you need the proper license and season for lawful long lining.
sport fishing requires the same.
if you desire to anchor on the ocean floor (I highly recommend against it) and hang out in one spot, make sure you have at least a 7-1 scope to allow for the wave surge...
but you will be as safe from the storm and weather as you make yourself to be, the boat is only a mere vessel to carry you in... and it will handle more weather than you can.
mistakes and bad decisions out on the high seas(or anywhere else) are made by people, not the boats they ride in....
 
Apr 30, 2013
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Hunter e36 Newport Beach, CA
I prefer to heave to on jib alone for fishing. The main seems to contribute to the roll of the boat in an ocean swell. I leave the main up if I am not staying too long. If the wind drops, bare poles or a storm jib if you have one. I turn on anchor lights on in this condition even if though there is no anchor (...its usually around sunset at some point). Don't forget to turn the anchor lights to running when you start sailing -- I do 30 minute log entries on position (the boat is drifting)
 
Oct 15, 2009
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catalina 320 Perry Lake
I usually wait to fish when ther is not enough wind to sail. Works well.
 

Db421

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Jun 7, 2004
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Hunter 34 1986 Lake Lanier, GA
"Heaving to" is definitely the way to go. Putting the boat in irons simply won't work for more than a few minutes.
 
Oct 18, 2008
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Jeanneau 49DS Seattle
We usually have a line out no matter the conditions, and have caught lots of fish, however, iif you want Salmon, just fall in behind the other boats and fish just above the bottom at about 100'. We have never been skunked. Also bottom fishing done by drifting across a bar, again never been skunked1
 
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