Drain plug at the bottom of the keel....

Oct 30, 2019
114
I am in the process of removing all the old antifoul from my hull and I keep looking at this plug and wondering what to do with it!!!
It is yet another hole in the hull and I am tempted to screw the bolt in and epoxy over it but then I wonder if I may need it in the future for draining the keel....
I guess there was a damn good reason for it's installation so maybe I should leave as is. If I do - I guess I need to use ptfe tape (is that the same as teflon tape?) and tighten it up well and then overcoat with the primer and antifoul. Or is some sort of threadlock required?
Has anyone had one of these fall out!!!!!!
Any thoughts welcome.....
John
 
Dec 16, 2011
77
Hi John I would use 3M 5200 it will set up better than to "epoxy over it" and you will still be able to get the plug out when you need to. One of the benefits of having the plug is that all moisture can be drained from the boat when she is on the hard. This is obviously brilliant for the boat reducing mold and damp. I use 3 M 5200 on all my through hulls and have never had a problem. Seriously John C
 
Oct 30, 2019
574
Hi John - I've never had one fall out, but decided last year to perm/temp seal it up. If you have the tank in the bilge, it might make sense to leave it in place. In winter climates, with the tank in the bilge, it is handy to be able to remove the plug and drain the water. However, after sailing for a few years with the tank in the port locker, I noticed that it was just as convenient to dry up any remaining water with a sponge.

I'm not sure if everyone's experience will be the same. Bella is an extremely dry boat. The most water we've had in the keel was when the whale foot pump sprung a leak and the water from the water tank drained into the bilge. Even then, I pumped it out with the bilge pump and dried up the rest. During the course of a sailing season, it is rare to have even a small amount of water in the bilge.

I used 5200 over the plug, thinking that if I ever need to remove or re-use it, I can grind it out with a Dremmel. That has worked well for 2 years now. I am loathe to use the stuff. So if you know of an alternative, maybe that's the way to go.

Of course, this is only one idea. Others may have other suggestions.

Jack
Bella - V2620
 
Jan 31, 2009
122
I always leave the plug out when the boat is on the hard for the winter ensuring that any rain water simply drains and avoiding risk of frost damage. Come the spring I use lanolin (the grease from sheeps wool) on the plug it seems to set underwater but allows me to undo it easily when required.
I also use the lanolin on the propeller instead of antifouling, seems to repel growth better than the antifouling on my drying mooring.
Mike________________________________
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Subject: [AlbinVega] Drain plug at the bottom of the keel....



I am in the process of removing all the old antifoul from my hull and I keep looking at this plug and wondering what to do with it!!!
It is yet another hole in the hull and I am tempted to screw the bolt in and epoxy over it but then I wonder if I may need it in the future for draining the keel....
I guess there was a damn good reason for it's installation so maybe I should leave as is. If I do - I guess I need to use ptfe tape (is that the same as teflon tape?) and tighten it up well and then overcoat with the primer and antifoul. Or is some sort of threadlock required?
Has anyone had one of these fall out!!!!!!
Any thoughts welcome.....
John
 
Mar 16, 2012
23
Hi John, I found the plug very helpful when my boat was dry docked on a freezing winter day...the marina helpers couldn't power wash the hull because the water supplies had all iced up. I had pumped out the hull and placed an electric heater in the boat and opened the floor boards. Then I decided to go open that little keel plug just in case the power failed. What a surprise I got when about five gallons of water spilled out onto the ground tarp. I'm not sure why there is a void down that low in the keel base...but there is a potential to have damage to the keel if water freezes way down there. I would leave the plug there, if you have to take the boat out in winter conditions. -Bruce
 
Mar 16, 2012
23
The bilge was mainly a pocket in the keel to hold the Vega fuel tank, with a six inch depth below the fule tank base,to accomodate a bilge pump hose space.
But the keel itself can condensate and collect moisture which is why they provided a brass plug at the starboard base of the keel near the rudder post. The keel itself is a solid mass that's been glassed over...but there is a collection point down there to get rid of the residual water, so the thin keel won't expand and split the fiberglass layer in a deep freeze. -Bruce
 
Oct 19, 2019
921
Albin Vega 27 Limerick
Hi. Thanks for that.

I have finally got around to cleaning out the keel bilge so I can now see the GRP bottom of the keel well/ keel bilge.

I'm just a bit unclear - I suppose there must be drain channel that leads from the bottom of the keel well/bilge to the location of the drain bolt?

Or is the inner end of the drain bolt the "bump" that I noticed at the forward end of the bottom of the keel well?

I hate mysteries!

Thanks
John V1447 Breakaway

John Kinsella
Mathematics and Statistics Dept
University of Limerick

Phone 0035361202148
Web jkcray.maths.ul.ie
 
Oct 30, 2019
574
Hi John - Bruce is accurate in his description. The original keel tank sits/sat on a glass or metal (probably glass), three-sided insert. Basically, this was a base to help support the fuel tank...although, it seemed like a great deal of the weight was also supported by the sides of the keel. I assume that Per designed this in to give the Vega some kind of bilge, because without it, the only conceivable bilge would be the space located aft of the fuel tank, or the space between the top of the fuel tank and the cabin sole.

The drain plug on our Vega (a series II) is at the starboard aft end of the keel, or bilge, depending on your preference parlance. There is a small area, lets say about 10 inches in length by 4 inches port to starboard, that may be slightly lower than the rest of the base of the bilge. Presumably, that is where any excess water should accumulate when she is dry docked. Removing that plug presumably drains the water.

I mentioned in an earlier post that I would not glass over or cover the plug if I were leaving the fuel tank in the bilge. With the fuel tank in the bilge, the area under the tank, about 8 inches worth vertically, is virtually inaccessible. The area aft of the tank, which is not much space anyway, is also virtually inaccessible. I mention this as "virtually inaccessible" because as you have probably learned, a Vega owner figures out a way to get to, change or repair just about anything on the boat regardless of where it might be located. However, I digress.

As long as the tank is in the bilge, it is extremely difficult to ensure that the bilge is drained in dry dock without removing the bilge plug. One can imagine the issues that might ensue should that water freeze in the enclosed space.

That all said, if the tank is not in the bilge, it is an easy task to sponge out the bilge to ensure it is dry. It is also a simple matter to take a look to see if any water has accumulated in the bilge.

The place where the plug comes into the bilge was difficult to see. I ended up removing it and sliding a screw driver into the hole to check its location.

As an added note, another advantage to relocating the fuel tank to another location is that when I drop part into the bilge, which I have done many times, they are easier to retrieve. The downside is that it creates a fairly large amount of unused space and removes weight from below the water line. People have found ways to accommodate for this change, sometimes putting extra chain down there, or possibly a water tank or bladder. I usually store a case of wine held in place with a piece of netting cinched to two pad eyes located where the batteries used to be stored. This creates a problem as the season goes on, because the weight slowly moves from the bilge to the belly. I am looking at some alternatives, possibly building a watertight fiberglass box, or maybe welded plastic, in order to store tools and spares down there. But then I'll need to find somewhere else to store wine. Maybe under one of the settees?

As always, mine are not the definitive comments on the subject; other peoples experience may differ and prove dramatically more apt than my own. My apologies for the long reply. I'm on vacation, enjoying a cocktail and feeling just a little verbose.

Cheers!

Jack
Bella - V2620