Don't need that hole anymore!

Nov 18, 2013
54
Oday 32 Ketch North Fort Myers, FL
We've been aboard now for close to 2 mos. and the projects are many, varied and actually gettin' done! In a couple of weeks, I'm ordering the composting head to replace the original 35 yr. old Raritan. I'm looking forward to removing the original stuff and both gaining more space for tankage and losing the inevitable marine head odor. In removing the original head, I'm gonna end up with 2 through hulls that have no purpose. What is the appropriate way to secure these through hulls? Do I cap them off in some fashion? Simply turn off the seacock and keep a tapered plug handy? Thanks for your advice in advance.

Highest regards, Darrell
 

kito

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Sep 13, 2012
2,011
1979 Hunter Cherubini 30 Clemmons
I have the same issue on mine. I have a thru hull for a paddle type speedo that I will not use anymore. I can keep the paddle sensor in it I guess but prefer to remove it and plug the hole. A blank thru hull fitting (no hole) would work for this purpose but are not available as far as I know.
 

TLW

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Jan 15, 2013
271
Oday 31 Whitehall, MI
Hmmm. The link above shows a repair (4,5,6,& 8) that is contrary (backwards) to accepted practice. I would assume the mistake was made by the person creating the illustration and no one caught it in the proofing.

In the section showing repair of a relatively large prepared (beveled) hole, the fiberglass patches are shown as becoming progressively smaller. In this case, if the integrity of the first patch is compromised, (comes off for some reason) ALL patches will fail as the are attached only to the first. If the patches are applied correctly, in a sequence of becoming progressively larger, each new layer will adhere to new substrate increasing the integrity of the repair.
 

kito

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Sep 13, 2012
2,011
1979 Hunter Cherubini 30 Clemmons
That illustration was made back in 2003 and I believe is correct. The layers of mat are to create a "bowl" to hold the thickened epoxy as the final layer and blend with the bevel to create a seamless patch. The smallest patch is still larger than the hole and the largest patch is slightly smaller than the bevel diameter. that's the way I see it anyway.
 

Tom J

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Sep 30, 2008
2,325
Catalina 310 Quincy, MA
Hmmm. The link above shows a repair (4,5,6,& 8) that is contrary (backwards) to accepted practice. I would assume the mistake was made by the person creating the illustration and no one caught it in the proofing.

In the section showing repair of a relatively large prepared (beveled) hole, the fiberglass patches are shown as becoming progressively smaller. In this case, if the integrity of the first patch is compromised, (comes off for some reason) ALL patches will fail as the are attached only to the first. If the patches are applied correctly, in a sequence of becoming progressively larger, each new layer will adhere to new substrate increasing the integrity of the repair.
As I was taught by Boeing back in the 70's, the best mechanical bond is achieved by using a large patch first in a large hole, thin laminate situation. Successively smaller patches are added as needed to strengthen the laminate. This does seem counter-intuitive, but our instructor explained that by using the small patch first method, only the edges of the patches are adhering to the original laminate, and are more easily broken.
 

Tom J

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Sep 30, 2008
2,325
Catalina 310 Quincy, MA
I have the same issue on mine. I have a thru hull for a paddle type speedo that I will not use anymore. I can keep the paddle sensor in it I guess but prefer to remove it and plug the hole. A blank thru hull fitting (no hole) would work for this purpose but are not available as far as I know.
My C310 came with a blank plug attached to the paddle sensor. I don't use the paddle, so just leave the blank in place. I would think a blank plug should be available for your boat.
 
Oct 26, 2005
2,057
- - Satellite Beach, FL.
Hmmm. The link above shows a repair (4,5,6,& 8) that is contrary (backwards) to accepted practice. I would assume the mistake was made by the person creating the illustration and no one caught it in the proofing.

In the section showing repair of a relatively large prepared (beveled) hole, the fiberglass patches are shown as becoming progressively smaller. In this case, if the integrity of the first patch is compromised, (comes off for some reason) ALL patches will fail as the are attached only to the first. If the patches are applied correctly, in a sequence of becoming progressively larger, each new layer will adhere to new substrate increasing the integrity of the repair.
If the laminate comes apart at all then the mix is bad or the work is contaminated. If the work is good then you won't get layers to separate without destroying the laminate.
 
Aug 22, 2011
1,113
MacGregor Venture V224 Cheeseland
From the title I thought this thread was going to be about divorce.
 

TLW

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Jan 15, 2013
271
Oday 31 Whitehall, MI
Hey guys, I remain adamant about my post. Ninety-nine times out of 100 it should make no difference. A properly executed repair will become a one-piece chemical bond.
However, that is not always the case.

Two Points: If there is to be a problem (other than a poor catalyst mix) it will most likely happen at the first (inner) patch and the hull. Poor practice in preparing the hull - removing contaminants - can result in just moving them around and if the 1st patch fails, it all fails.

Secondly, we all know that voids sometimes occur in the layup. I have had brand new boats delivered to me from the factory and noticed a break in the gelcoat at the top of the transom. Taking a mallet and tapping along the transom then opened up 20 to 30 voids. (Might as well fix them all and do it right if you're going to fix one.) The cause, of course, is trying to tuck glass mat into a tight radius. The glass mat wants to bridge the corner and leaves a void between it and the gelcoat. That's one reason boat designs in the last decade have avoided tight radii. It's also why we use a fillet when a tight radius cannot be avoided.

In the original case - the method in the link - the concave repair area presents a situation for the cloth/mat to bridge the recess rather than fill it and voids may occur. As a matter of fact, the very reason to dish out the repair area is so successively larger patches attach to the "V." - the scarf.

Truthfully, the use of epoxy, rather than polyester, minimizes the potential for this "bridging" because of its greater adhesive quality.

Again, properly executed either way probably makes little difference. I just think "best practice" is best practice in every situation.

BTW: as Tom J says, the blank plug is by far the easiest, smartest way to approach the specific problem in the original post.
 

kito

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Sep 13, 2012
2,011
1979 Hunter Cherubini 30 Clemmons
My C310 came with a blank plug attached to the paddle sensor. I don't use the paddle, so just leave the blank in place. I would think a blank plug should be available for your boat.
Not sure if I could find a blank or not. The speedo is probably original on my 1979 H30. I will just keep the paddle plug in I guess. I just don't like the idea of having such a small cross section o-ring (maybe 1/32") keeping me from the bottom of the bay. But I reckon they been around for years so must be ok.
 

TLW

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Jan 15, 2013
271
Oday 31 Whitehall, MI
I think the blank plugs are available from:

moorelectronics.com or 1-800-876-4971

not sure but think they replace SR Mariner, Datamarine, EMS, etc.
 

Tom J

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Sep 30, 2008
2,325
Catalina 310 Quincy, MA
Not sure if I could find a blank or not. The speedo is probably original on my 1979 H30. I will just keep the paddle plug in I guess. I just don't like the idea of having such a small cross section o-ring (maybe 1/32") keeping me from the bottom of the bay. But I reckon they been around for years so must be ok.
Actually, the blank plug will have the same O-ring, but having the blank on hand will allow you to pull the paddle for cleaning while the boat is in the water. Or you could just leave the blank installed. Your choice.