Don Jordan and the Jordan Series Drogue

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Oct 22, 2008
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In my opinion, the greatest storm safety device ever created is the Jordan Series Drogue.

The JSD was the brainchild of Don Jordan, a retired aeronautical engineer, in response to the fatalities that were the result of the 1979 Fastnet disaster. I believe that the Jordan Series Drogue is a piece of gear that every sea-going small sailboat should have.

Don Jordan was an aeronautical engineer, who worked for Pratt and Whitney, eventually retiring from his position as chief engineer. He was also a senior lecturer at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology for many years. He was a pilot and a life-long sailor.

Back when I was getting things setup for my boat, I spoke with Don Jordan a number of times regarding the Jordan Series Drogue. I was fortunate enough to get a personal recommendation for the drogue sizing for my boat from Don directly. Unfortunately, Don passed away last year.

What is a Jordan Series Drogue?

It is a safety device for small craft that consists of a long line with a series of small drag cones attached along its length. The JSD for the Pretty Gee consists of a 5/8″ line, 270′ long, with 130 small cones attached to it. It has 15′ of 5/16″ chain on the terminal end as a weight. It is connected to the boat by a bridle that is 45′ long. It looks like this:



Photo courtesy of Sail Magazine’s article on series drogues and sea anchors.

How Does a Jordan Series Drogue Work?

How the Jordan Series Drogue works is best explained by Don Jordan himself, on a website that he helped develop about the Jordan Series Drogue. Please visit the Jordan Series Drogue website to find out more about this ingenious device.

Who Makes the Jordan Series Drogue?


There are several ways to get or make a Jordan Series Drogue. First, you can get the materials and make them yourself. Buying a kit is often easier, if a bit more expensive. Both Ace Sailmakers and SailRite make and sell either the cones alone or complete kits, including the cones and double braid line, for making Jordan Series Drogues to cover a series of different size boats. Ace Sailmakers will also make complete drogues as well.

Why Use a Jordan Series Drogue, instead of a Parachute Sea Anchor?

Well, there are quite a few reasons to use a Jordan Series Drogue over a parachute sea anchor. Here are a few of the more important ones IMHO.

First, the Jordan Series drogue was developed and tested in conjunction with the US Coast Guard, and was specifically designed for helping small sailcraft survive in storm conditions, like those found during the 1979 Fastnet disaster that was Jordan’s primary motivation for developing the series drogue. It has been proven to work very successfully and protect boats using it from damage during its deployment.

Second, due to the change in boat design, most boats are far more stable when using a drogue than when using a sea anchor. Don Jordan has an interesting post about this on the Jordan Series Drogue site, and there is no reason to think that the forces that apply to a sailboat at anchor would not also apply to a sailboat lying to a sea anchor.

Third, the overall forces that are generated by a Jordan Series Drogue are lower and the peak shock loading forces that the boat is subjected to is far lower by design. The design of the JSD allows it to gradually increase the resistance applied to the boat as the rode becomes more heavily loaded—and doesn’t have the issues with collapsing and suddenly re-deploying a parachute sea anchor does.

Fourth, Don Jordan had no financial interest in selling or making the Jordan Series Drogue, as he put the idea and patents for it into the public domain after developing it. Some of the oft-cited information sources that tout the superiority of the parachute sea anchor type devices are a bit less than honest IMHO.


How to Install, Deploy and Retrieve the Jordan Series Drogue


Installing the JSD

Prior to setting off on a blue water passage, your boat should be outfitted with dedicated chainplates for the Jordan Series Drogue. These chainplates should be mounted fairly low and as far outboard and aft on the hull of the boat as possible. They should be tied into the structure of the boat as securely as the chainplates for the rigging.

The bridle should be about three times as long as the distance between the chainplates. If the transom is 12′ wide, the bridle for the Jordan Series Drogue should be about 36′. This should give you sufficient length for the splices and to terminate the bridle lines properly. Ideally, one end of the bridle should be an eyesplice that is connected to the eyesplice at the end of the drogue by running the bridle line through the drogue’s eyesplice and then through its own eyesplice so the bridle line forms a larkshead knot around the drogue line.

The other end should be spliced around a thimble and connected to the chainplate via a heavy shackle. Ideally, the bridle legs should be run through tubular polyester webbing to protect them from UV damage and chafe. These lines should be left permanently connected while on any bluewater passage.

The Jordan Series Drogue should be flaked into a bag or container, starting with the bridle end. This should leave the terminal end, with the weight, on top of the drogue line, and allow the drogue to be deployed by simple dropping the drogue’s terminal end into the water.

Deploying the Jordan Series Drogue


Make sure the drogue line is free and clear to run out before doing anything else, because as soon as you release the weight to deploy the drogue—you are committed to it… as the small cones will start to fill and increase the load on the drogue line. When conditions deteriorate to the point you feel the Jordan Series Drogue should be deployed, you should drop the weight and terminal end of the drogue into the water and let the drogue run out.

Check to see that the bridle legs lead fair and then head down below and batten down the hatches. If you’ve setup the chainplates, bridle and drogue properly, chafe should not be an issue. Don Jordan designed the series drogue to be an “ejection seat” for the sailor… where you deploy it and then wait for the ride to end. It shouldn’t require the crew to do much more than keep a watch. No active steering or other crew participation should be required once the series drogue has been deployed, allowing the crew to rest, eat, and restore themselves.

Retrieving the Jordan Series Drogue


This is one of the more difficult things to do. Don Jordan wrote:
I recommend that you deploy the drogue in fair weather to get a feel for the launching and retrieval. You will need two winches and two helper lines. See website.

I mention this because one skipper recently cut the drogue loose after a successful ride in a storm because he could not get it back — no excuse for this . Don
Now, I’ve tried out my series drogue several times and came up with a pretty good solution for retrieving it. What you will need are the following:

• Two lines about twice the LOA of your boat, with a stopper knot tied in about two feet from one end, and one about halfway down the line.

• Two snatch blocks attached to the base of the bow pulpit


The procedure is to run the lines forward to the snatch blocks and back to the genoa winches. The winches should be free, since you probably won’t have any sail up if you’ve resorted to a Jordan Series Drogue.

• Tie the end of the port line with the stopper knot to the series drogue rode with a rolling hitch. This will allow you to winch about a boat length of series drogue aboard the boat. Watch out and make sure you don’t snag the cones on anything while you’re winching it aboard.

• Then tie the end of the starboard line with the stopper knot to the series drogue rode with a rolling hitch.

• Next, go forward and untie the first line rolling hitch and bring it back to the cockpit.

• Then winch in the second line, and tie the end of the port line to the series drogue rode again and repeat.

On most boats, the series drogue and bridle will be about a dozen boat lengths long or so. So, you only have to do this six times to retrieve it. It is even simpler if you’re sailing with a second person, since they can be moving forward and retrieving the lines, while you’re winching in the drogue. This method also minimizes the amount of time spent tying and untying the knots.

The Jordan Series Drogue and Trip Lines

I asked Don about using a trip line on the JSD... he did not recommend it. As he explained it, the problem is that if the trip line and the JSD rode twist, it could compromise the JSD by fouling the small cones and preventing them from opening properly.

When the boat is not in motion because of the waves, the JSD will usually extend nearly straight down from the stern of the boat. As the boat starts to move, the cones start load up as the road becomes more heavily loaded. When the JSD is vertical like that, it could easily twist and foul the trip line.
 
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Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Looks like the tail of a kite. ;) I wonder if it could be retrieved with a trip line run to the weighted end.
 

RECESS

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Dec 20, 2003
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Pearson 323 . St. Mary's Georgia
It is on my list of things to make from sailrite.
 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
I asked Don about using a trip line on the JSD... he did not recommend it. The problem is that if the trip line and the JSD rode twist, it could compromise the JSD by fouling the small cones and preventing them from opening properly. When the boat is not in motion because of the waves, the JSD will usually extend nearly straight down from the stern of the boat. As the boat starts to move, the cones start load up as the road becomes more heavily loaded. When the JSD is vertical like that, it could easily twist and foul the trip line.

Looks like the tail of a kite. ;) I wonder if it could be retrieved with a trip line run to the weighted end.
 
Dec 1, 1999
2,391
Hunter 28.5 Chesapeake Bay
There is a lot of info in the archives on this topic. Having used the Jordan series drogue once while returning from Bermuda in very challenging conditions, I think it is a very good product. Yet, I also think Don Jordan is not the most objective observer about how difficult his product may be to retrieve in all but calm conditions. In our particular case, we were short handed and you probably need 3 people dedicated to the task of bringing this device back aboard. While I think getting this drogue back aboard is relatively easy in calm, flat waters, getting it back aboard after a gale force blow, when the seas are still really choppy and winds are still in the upper 20s or more, is a LOT of very hard work.
 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
Please note, I never said it would be easy to retrieve, just that it is possible to retrieve it using the technique I describe. It is a RPITA to retrieve, but if it has saved your boat and your bacon... that is a small price to pay for using it and having it to re-use in another emergency.

There is a lot of info in the archives on this topic. Having used the Jordan series drogue once while returning from Bermuda in very challenging conditions, I think it is a very good product. Yet, I also think Don Jordan is not the most objective observer about how difficult his product may be to retrieve in all but calm conditions. In our particular case, we were short handed and you probably need 3 people dedicated to the task of bringing this device back aboard. While I think getting this drogue back aboard is relatively easy in calm, flat waters, getting it back aboard after a gale force blow, when the seas are still really choppy and winds are still in the upper 20s or more, is a LOT of very hard work.
 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
The cones look fine, if the photo is of the actual product. Just remember the individual cones themselves don't need to be very strong, as there really isn't a great load on them... the JSD works by spreading the load over many cones...

If a JSD has a working load of 1000 lbs. and has 130 cones... the load on each cone is only about 7.7 lbs. The maximum design load on this same drogue would be 10,000 lbs...and each cone would only have to support a load of 77 lbs. The actual loading on each cone would be a bit less, since there are frictional losses due to the rode itself and also some of the load is used on the rode stretching.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/124-...5fPartsQ5fAccessoriesQ5fGear#ebayphotohosting

This fellow has been selling cones on e-bay for some time. Could be fine. Probably, but I haven't seen them.
 
Dec 1, 1999
2,391
Hunter 28.5 Chesapeake Bay
I'd like to invite Sailingdog, and any other sailors, who may have used the JSD under extreme condtions, to post their real-world experiences (i.e., boat type, weather conditions, number and experience of the crew, etc.) with setting and retrieving this device as I'm sure we'd all learn a lot from them.
 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
I've used the JSD several times, but not under what I'd call extreme conditions... I hope never to need to use the JSD under extreme conditions, but see it as one of those things that you have on-board, just in case you might need it, and hope you never will... like Flares or an EPIRB.

I've deployed it in 30-35 knots with 9-15' seas... and retrieving it is a major PITA, but manageable if you use the technique I mention above.
 
Jul 20, 2005
2,422
Whitby 55 Kemah, Tx
I got a retrieval method for ya. Jump in the water with a 300' line attached to you and find the end....then have somebody release it from the boat and then pull you in.

Anybody want to do that in 15' waves? :)

If definately beats what happened to those sailors who tried to sail over 50' waves during the 1998 Sydney to Hobert race. I thought it was known then, but maybe not, that a boat can't sail over a way bigger then it's waterline if the wave is steep. 6 lives would have been saved if they had the JSD and used it. I know they were in a race but from what I've read, they were in survival mode when the storm hit and many had a little advance warning by boats in the lead that 80+ knots where coming their way.
 
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Jul 20, 2005
2,422
Whitby 55 Kemah, Tx
Speaking of waves, why is it that forecasters give the average wave height? The average wave is not what gets boats into trouble, it's the max waves. Case in point, during this race, the average waves during the worst part of the storm was 9.4M, but the max height was about 15M. That's a hugh difference and most boats can't handle 15M when the shore is down wind (can't run because no place to go).

I was wondering why they were beating into the waves and after looking at the wave model, the sad thing is, all boats that capsized had plenty of room to run as the waves and wind were blowing out to sea or along the shore line.

44 boats completed that race and only one (the 80' American race boat) was fast enough to outrun the really bad stuff plus, I believe the 6 boats that capsized were in the lead pack (the bigger faster boats). Also, as you can see from the picture, the ones in the rear may not have had as bad of waves, but they were blowing towards shore and would have been on the beam if they stuck to the rhumb line, so now I'm very much interested in what the boats that finished the race did to handle the storm.

The boats that capsized told us what not to do. I'd like to hear from the boats that can teach us what to do.

Side note: every boat that capsized reported the crew being tangled in lines while under water. Something to think about when you're in bad weather :)
 

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Jan 27, 2008
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ODay 35 Beaufort, NC
JSD Weight

When I built my JSD they recommended a 10 pound weight at the end of the line. I read in your post that you used a length of chain for this? I used a 10 pound mushroom anchor as I felt it would add additional drag like another cone or two? Any reason this could be an issue and should I switch to the chain or maybe some scuba weights? i never had to use it but 150 miles at sea with 35 knots of wind I was sure glad I had it on board if needed.
 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
AFAIK, the minimum recommended weight is 15 lbs. I like the chain because it stows relatively easily and is less likely to chafe or damage the JSD rode while it is stored in the bag. I have a short line that ties the end of the chain to the outside of the bag so that it can't get tangled up regardless of how badly I kick or move the bag around. :)

When I built my JSD they recommended a 10 pound weight at the end of the line. I read in your post that you used a length of chain for this? I used a 10 pound mushroom anchor as I felt it would add additional drag like another cone or two? Any reason this could be an issue and should I switch to the chain or maybe some scuba weights? i never had to use it but 150 miles at sea with 35 knots of wind I was sure glad I had it on board if needed.
 
Jan 27, 2008
3,086
ODay 35 Beaufort, NC
One of the drawbacks

I was worried that when you go to deploy the JSD you'd get it halfway out and find the rode and cones all tangled up. In the conditions it is needed the last thing you'd want is to untangle and severely loaded line or try to get it back on board even. You said you've deployed yours, how do you deal with making sure it deploys without tangling?
 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
I was worried that when you go to deploy the JSD you'd get it halfway out and find the rode and cones all tangled up. In the conditions it is needed the last thing you'd want is to untangle and severely loaded line or try to get it back on board even. You said you've deployed yours, how do you deal with making sure it deploys without tangling?
After attaching the bridle to the boat, I flake the JSD into a sailbag, which it came with. When I get to the end of the JSD, I tie the end of the chain to a line attached to a grommet on the bag. That prevents the JSD from getting fouled or tangled. To deploy it... I lower the chain overboard and let it pay out from the bag.
 
Jan 27, 2008
3,086
ODay 35 Beaufort, NC
Plastic Tote

I suppose a sailbag is a better idea. I've been using a plastic tote with the bridle ready for connection and the rode with cones all flaked inside, the tote fits nicely in the locker in the cockpit although in a rollover might go flying around after the cover comes off. Did you rig attachment points on your hull or are you using your cleats or winches? Seems like chafe would be a problem, I like the idea of using 1/2" chainplate stock on the hull but can't bear to drill a lot of holes in the hull.
 
Jan 22, 2008
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Beneteau 323 Annapolis MD
Dave, It is suggested to let the line out about a foot every hour to deal with chafe.
 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
I'm actually having custom stainless steel chainplates made up for the JSD. BTW, chafe isn't generally a problem if you have the chainplates setup properly. A lot of people just use the aft cleats on their boat, and then chafe does become a problem.
I suppose a sailbag is a better idea. I've been using a plastic tote with the bridle ready for connection and the rode with cones all flaked inside, the tote fits nicely in the locker in the cockpit although in a rollover might go flying around after the cover comes off. Did you rig attachment points on your hull or are you using your cleats or winches? Seems like chafe would be a problem, I like the idea of using 1/2" chainplate stock on the hull but can't bear to drill a lot of holes in the hull.
 
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