Dock lines - 3-strand or double braid?

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Feb 17, 2006
5,274
Lancer 27PS MCB Camp Pendleton KF6BL
I know this is really personal preference, and I'd like your opinion on what you have and why you chose it.

Right now I have 3-strand on the bow and double braid on the stern. Why? Because that is what was on the boat when I purchased it. But I think I might get new dock lines and I am leaning toward 3-strand.

What's on your boat?
 
Jun 19, 2004
512
Catalina 387 Hull # 24 Port Charlotte, Florida
Hi Brian

I have three strand on the bow, pre-tie and the eyes going to the bow cleats.
On the stern I run three strand from the port and starboard cleats from the respective pilings that are pre-tied. I also run a three strand from mid ship as a spring line fore and aft that I leave tied on the pilings.
When I back in, I use the same lines but have to cross them over the stern.
 

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
3,715
Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
I always use three strand as it is more economical and I find it easy to splice.
 
Mar 3, 2003
710
Hunter 356 Grand Rivers
Double Braid

I used 3-strand for 3 seasons and switched 3 seasons ago to double braid. I much prefer the double braid as it has worn very good and is not anywhere near replacement and has stayed very flexible. I keep my dock lines on the dock and just rehook up to the cleats when I return. I use the old 3 strand for transient use. The 3 strand is not nearly as flexible and easy to use.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Re: Double Braid

I applied service to all of the chafe points on my dock lines(three strand) And after the first year of service with this protection I think the lines may last ten years. Yes , they are stiff but they don't have to run through any blocks. They are only expected to keep my boat where I left her last week.
 

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
3,715
Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
I find that New England three strand does not get stiff so that is my preferred brand for dock lines.
 

Mike B

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Apr 15, 2007
1,013
Beneteau 43 Baltimore, MD
I use double braids all the way around. Primarily because they stay flexible but also because they're easier on the hands and clean up better. Look nicer too.
Mike
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Higgs , I am glad that I use NE brand three strand. If these lines got any stiffer I would find bamboo more flexible. Maybe I just don't "work " them enough. A couple of years ago I pulled them around a post several times and softened them up a bit. But most times they feel like they came back from the laundry with too much starch. ; D
 
Jan 22, 2008
1,674
Hunter 34 Alameda CA
We've gotten in excess of 10 years with 3 strand. I like it because it has some stretch to it. The instantaneous shock loading with double braid is hard on the cleats on both the dock and the boat. I actually use snubbers too. We are in a high wake area.
 
Oct 19, 2006
337
Hunter 27-3 Brownsville, VT/Mystic, CT
Mainly double braid

We use double braid for transient tie-up. I chose that mainly because I could accessorize nicely, i.e. match the color scheme of the boat! Wanted to look stylish when visiting marinas!

Last season I set a mooring and went with beefy 3-strand because I wanted to have a custom made pendant & I don't feel comfortable splicing double braid. However, my back-up pendant was an even beefier pre-made Yale double braid mooring line that I got a great deal on on eBay.

TIP FOR SOFTER LINES: Give them a good, clean water rinse periodically, then soak them in fabric softener before drying them out.
 
Sep 24, 1999
1,511
Hunter H46LE Sausalito
1" double braid, because...

...if there's any chafing, I want it to be the cleat that wears through first.
 

natotm

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May 5, 2006
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If you don't have a perfect docking situation and will have any possibility of rough conditions then you should only consider 3 strand NYLON or maybe 8 braid NYLON for ties. I have seen severe dock and boat damage from misuse of polyester (Dacron) lines. Lots of boats are tied up with what were former sheets or halyards that were retired into dock service. It just doesn't stretch and the incredible strength of these lines will break cleats or pull them out very quickly.

Just recently the boat next to me broke a 12" cleat when we had storm swells and it was tied with 1" polyester double braid. As we were Med moored it was exciting for awhile. Fortunately the other lines securing this husky boat were 3 strand nylon and weathered the affair intact.

For those really concerned about fashion, 3 strand is available in lots of colors.

By the time you realize that a storm is coming it may be too late to change your dock lines...
 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
One thing to consider is what you're tying up to. Double-braid lines tend to get the outer braid picked apart when used on rough wooden pilings, far more so than three-strand nylon docklines. If you generally tie up to wooden pilings, then use three-strand, otherwise use whichever you prefer. Three-strand line tends to hockle if you're not careful, but often has better chafe resistance characteristics than double braid line.

You shouldn't use polyester for dock lines, because it doesn't stretch as much as nylon does, and as such can cause much more damage due to shock loading, as seen in Natotm's post.

For anchor line, I would recommend octoplait, since it doesn't have the problems with hockling like three strand, and it tends to flake in the anchor locker more compactly, since it is more flexible than three strand usually is. It also makes a good chain-to-rope splice that will fit through a chain/rope gypsy well.

If chafe is a big problem, you should use spectra/dyneema chafe protection sleeves. These are better than rubber or plastic hose for one major reason. A majority of dock line and anchor line failures are due to the nylon heating up due to internal friction as the rope works, leading to the rope melting and failing. Using a woven chafe protection sleeve allows water to get in to the rope and lubricate it, helping prevent internally generated heat and related failures.

Rinsing out your docklines once in a while is also a really good idea. This can help get rid of any embedded dirt, which can damage the rope fibers as it works its way into the rope.

As for sizing the line—going too heavy on the line is also a problem—since it won't stretch and absorb the shock loading of storm surge and such. 1" dockline is too heavy for most boats 35' or less. You want the boat to stretch the line rather than shock loading the deck hardware the line is tied off to.

Another problem with using lines that are too thick is that the cleats probably won't deal with them well. A good rule of thumb is that you should use docklines 1/16 the size of the cleat in diameter. If your boat has 10" cleats, then the largest dockline you should use on the cleat is 5/8" rope. This allows the cleat to easily handle two docklines at a time.
 
Jun 7, 2004
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Oday O'Day 222 Bass Harbor, NJ
3 strand here, unless you like being jerked around every time the wind blows over 15kts in the marina. Also I do not see the need to see how long a line will last, I replace lines every season. This is what keeps my vessel safe in the slip. I know that if there is ever a unexpected storm my vessel will stay where I left her. Although she will probably be damaged by all the others who broke loose due to being improperly secured.
 

RAD

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Jun 3, 2004
2,330
Catalina 30 Bay Shore, N.Y.
I use both on the bow and have a little slack on the double braid and this is the last season for the aft double braid that are tied to poles and gave me 5 seasons, because I didn't know that 3 strand is better I'll be redoing all the dock lines this winter and the line that I have between the boats to keep me from wandering into my neighbors is three strand and gets stiff but I throw it in a tub of water and fabric softener and it comes out a little softer ready for another season.
My dock lines are all set up with loops so every spring it's real easy to set every thing for the season so I should be able to match up the new three strand loops.
 

Mike B

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Apr 15, 2007
1,013
Beneteau 43 Baltimore, MD
Ross, try soaking them in fabric softener. Something that was recommended to me but only worked to some extent. One of the reasons I went to double braid. DB is also much easier for the Admiral to handle.
Mike
 

Nik

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Mar 15, 2008
247
MacGregor 26D Valparaiso, Indiana
I use DB for all my dock / spring lines and 3 strand for the anchor. The area I am in has no tide, no wake, but it does have a light current (normally) and we are on floating slips. This summer, we experienced a 150yr storm. The river rose several feet above flood stage. We didn't loose any slips but they did get bent sideways. The only vessels that I know of that were lost were two poorly tied PWC's about 3 slips down. The current grabbed them and took them under (I was so SAD,:dance:) as the lines held tight; thankfully, they didn't break loose and damage any boats. Several marinas to the west of us were literally washed out into Lake Michigan. Boats and slips broke free and became a floating battering ram.

Nik
 
Jan 22, 2008
8,050
Beneteau 323 Annapolis MD
dock line chafe

I had some scrap 3/8 chain, so cut it into 6-foot lengths to place around the pilings with the two ends shackled together. With a metal thimble eye-spliced into the dock lines, they can shackle to the chain. The weight of the chain caternary helps keep the boat centered in the slip in wakes and lesser winds. I suggest doing your own eye splices to build up your skills.
 

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
3,715
Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
Ross

you've got me thinking about lines getting stiff and my comment on New England. At first I wondered if it was salt/fresh water that made the difference, and then I remmebered I bought some line from the old E&B Marine before West bought them out. I bought some 3/ and some 5/8 3 strand. The 3/4 got stiff after one season while the 5/8 is still pretty good after more than 5 years. I wonder what makes line go stiff.
 
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