I spent a few hours tightening my rig yesterday and found that one of my shrouds has stretched to the point that I cannot tighten it far enough to acheive proper tension. The turnbuckles are the old-fashioned barrel type. So, I thought, well, since I have to replace part of the hardware here, why not do the whole turnbuckle with a new one. Then I thought, well, why not all turnbuckles while I am at it. Then I thought - why not the whole damed rig? It doesn't look like brain surgery to me. I certainly understand the importance of the rig - I respect it and consequently inspect it regularly. However, I'm thinking that I might be able to save a serious buck by doing it myself. Anyone out there done this? Thought about it? Know anyone who has done it? Let's hear from you - and thanks in advance. Merry Christmas and Happy Hannukah to all who ply the seas (and our unfortunate land lubber kin). Rob
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Bill O'Donovan
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Depends on the boat. If it's a 16-footerm, sure do it yourself. Mine is a 29.5 Hunter, and I've been advised to have the yard do it because of the raked mast and certian tolerance issues that are over my head. As a point of interest, the yard suggested delaying until next spring and tuning only in the water--not on the hards.
Depends on the boat. If it's a 16-footerm, sure do it yourself. Mine is a 29.5 Hunter, and I've been advised to have the yard do it because of the raked mast and certian tolerance issues that are over my head. As a point of interest, the yard suggested delaying until next spring and tuning only in the water--not on the hards.
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Jim Sullivan
Do this first
www.briontoss.com is the rigging expert and has teaching materials... then go for it.. Doing it yourself is half the fun in sailing. good luck and good sailing: Jim Why Knot!
www.briontoss.com is the rigging expert and has teaching materials... then go for it.. Doing it yourself is half the fun in sailing. good luck and good sailing: Jim Why Knot!
I agree with Mr. Bill:
Rob: I have to agree with Bill. If you have a simple rig like on the older Cherubini you should be able to do this your self. On the other hand if you have a B
Rob: I have to agree with Bill. If you have a simple rig like on the older Cherubini you should be able to do this your self. On the other hand if you have a B
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Rob R.
Re: Rig and tune
Yeah, I'm sure that you can only tune when the boat is in the water due to the fact that the hull flexes. Kinda like doing an engine alignment - it'll only work in the water. As far as the rig goes, it's a standard Catalina 27 tall rig, 1979. The PO never did the spreader sockets, so those need to be done. The headstay was just done by a professional this year, so I'm only looking at uppers, lowers, and backstay. I want to hit the chainplates too. Keep 'em coming! Rob
Yeah, I'm sure that you can only tune when the boat is in the water due to the fact that the hull flexes. Kinda like doing an engine alignment - it'll only work in the water. As far as the rig goes, it's a standard Catalina 27 tall rig, 1979. The PO never did the spreader sockets, so those need to be done. The headstay was just done by a professional this year, so I'm only looking at uppers, lowers, and backstay. I want to hit the chainplates too. Keep 'em coming! Rob
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Sean
Rob.....hey bud
I am in the same spot as you. My port spreader shroud turbuckle won't (turn) anymore. All my rigging is original and is on the list to get replaced. I tell ya what.....lets get the swage tools and split the cost. Like ya say, it cann't be that hard...right! I am thinking about getting a list to Henry about items available for rent to other dock mates. Like possibley the mast mate, swage tools, etc. I would love to find a loos tension gage to rent for a day. Anwyay, talk to ya after the holidays. Check on my boat for if you are out.....thanks. Merry holidays, sean
I am in the same spot as you. My port spreader shroud turbuckle won't (turn) anymore. All my rigging is original and is on the list to get replaced. I tell ya what.....lets get the swage tools and split the cost. Like ya say, it cann't be that hard...right! I am thinking about getting a list to Henry about items available for rent to other dock mates. Like possibley the mast mate, swage tools, etc. I would love to find a loos tension gage to rent for a day. Anwyay, talk to ya after the holidays. Check on my boat for if you are out.....thanks. Merry holidays, sean
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Henry Weber
rig it yourself
Rob -- my boat is an old H30 1977 Cherub The rigging was original with swaged ends. I replaced the standing rigging myself and found it to be pretty straight forward. I did by BrianToss's book first which made a big difference. My advice is to use Sta-lock terminals or something like it. You will save so much on the rigging job and even on the material that it won't matter. (i.e. 1/4 1x19 type 316ss wire rope was something like $1.40 per foot from the discount houses -- the rigging shop only charged me .85 per foot for the same and gave me a lesson on how to install the Sta-Lock ends. On my boat we had to do it all with the mast in place. Unstepped it should be easier still. Go for it -- you will save many hundreds of $. Henry
Rob -- my boat is an old H30 1977 Cherub The rigging was original with swaged ends. I replaced the standing rigging myself and found it to be pretty straight forward. I did by BrianToss's book first which made a big difference. My advice is to use Sta-lock terminals or something like it. You will save so much on the rigging job and even on the material that it won't matter. (i.e. 1/4 1x19 type 316ss wire rope was something like $1.40 per foot from the discount houses -- the rigging shop only charged me .85 per foot for the same and gave me a lesson on how to install the Sta-Lock ends. On my boat we had to do it all with the mast in place. Unstepped it should be easier still. Go for it -- you will save many hundreds of $. Henry
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Travers Tapper
Sure do it !!
I am in the process of doing just what you are considering. I have a Cat30 and am replacing all the standing and adding a Profurl system. I got great prices from Sailnet (JSI). The way I'm doing it is JSI is making me all the wires with the top terminals swaged. The wire is about 1ft longer than needed and I will install the StayLoc's on the bottom end for the new turnbuckles. I'm doing one wire at a time. I lay them on the dock and use the original as a template for the correct length. Seems to work just fine.
I am in the process of doing just what you are considering. I have a Cat30 and am replacing all the standing and adding a Profurl system. I got great prices from Sailnet (JSI). The way I'm doing it is JSI is making me all the wires with the top terminals swaged. The wire is about 1ft longer than needed and I will install the StayLoc's on the bottom end for the new turnbuckles. I'm doing one wire at a time. I lay them on the dock and use the original as a template for the correct length. Seems to work just fine.
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Brad
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I'm wondering...if your old rigging is stretched out, and you use it as a template for new stays, aren't the new ones going to start out a bit too long? I had a new forestay made up last year, and I seem to be using more turnbuckle than I should already. Perhaps the shop used the same method and that's the problem?
I'm wondering...if your old rigging is stretched out, and you use it as a template for new stays, aren't the new ones going to start out a bit too long? I had a new forestay made up last year, and I seem to be using more turnbuckle than I should already. Perhaps the shop used the same method and that's the problem?
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Rob
sean - have both loos guages....
for about a week. Borrowed em from Lee. Let me know if you are going to be around the docks this weekend! Rob
for about a week. Borrowed em from Lee. Let me know if you are going to be around the docks this weekend! Rob
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Pops
Rig Tension
My buddy has the guage, and I would like to check, adjust, and or replace some of my rigging. Where is there a source of specs for what the tensions should be (I own a '75 Hunter 25)? Thanks for the info.
My buddy has the guage, and I would like to check, adjust, and or replace some of my rigging. Where is there a source of specs for what the tensions should be (I own a '75 Hunter 25)? Thanks for the info.
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Rob
Pops - try this site..
www.briontoss.com - it was mentioned in one of the other replies on this thread. Its a very good website. There should have been info included with your loos guage, but I will assume that it is long gone. Basically, you need to determine the width of your shroud by using a diameter guage, then find the breaking strength for that size. For example, a 3/16 shroud will have a certain breaking strength, and you will want the shrowd tensioned at a percentage of that breaking strength, usually somewhere around 12 to 18 percent. Best of Luck - Rob
www.briontoss.com - it was mentioned in one of the other replies on this thread. Its a very good website. There should have been info included with your loos guage, but I will assume that it is long gone. Basically, you need to determine the width of your shroud by using a diameter guage, then find the breaking strength for that size. For example, a 3/16 shroud will have a certain breaking strength, and you will want the shrowd tensioned at a percentage of that breaking strength, usually somewhere around 12 to 18 percent. Best of Luck - Rob
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