Digital Charts

Jan 22, 2008
16
ORKNEY STRIKELINER WEYMOUTH/MELKSHAM
Hi all,

Without getting too far ahead of myself since I am in the process of learning to plot a course using paper charts and all the tools that go with it, I'm wondering about what's out there in the way of digital charts and navigation software.

Let's assume I go with a handheld GPS and a pc laptop onboard. Is there any free software and charts, in particular for Georgia Strait and the Canadian Gulf islands?

I see that the US through NOAA offers charts in a couple of different formats which I haven't quite figured out yet but can I find free or reasonably priced software to run these?

Thanks,

Stephen
Vancouver
 
Feb 28, 2006
127
Stephen,

Here's a link to some navigation freeware that you might have some fun with.
The problem is that the exclusive rights to Canadian digital charts are held
by a private company and are very expensive to purchase. This nav. Program
comes with a utility that enables one to scan and digitize paper charts. It
works but it takes some time and effort. For best results you need to be
able to get a GPS signal to your PC. I had an old aviation Garmin handheld
that had NMEA output which worked fine once I got it communicating with my
laptop. If I were doing it now I would buy GPS for the computer. It's not
very expensive. I got it all working OK but it was awkward using the laptop
in the boat for real time navigation. I finally bit the bullet and bought a
chart plotter with a good map cartridge (from Seattle to the Alaska Pan
Handle) and have never regretted it.

Garry
V 2427
 
Oct 30, 2019
1,459
Hi Stephen,
Canadian charts are about $150 per CD. There are three main ones: Van Isle East, Van Isle West, and Queen Charlottes. The Van Isle East should serve you well in your area, as it covers the whole Inside Passage.

NOAA US charts are free on the web and you'll find they overlap quite a bit into southern BC waters, so are useful to us Canadians as well.
The charts you need are "Raster Charts", or "RNC's" and are in "BSB" format.

Someone already mentioned "SeaClear" (which also has a Yahoo discussion group). Seaclear has A.I.S. capability. I found it quite good, although not as intuitive as the program I use now called Memory Map Navigator.
There is a free trial version on that site. I run the 'pro' version, as it includes A.I.S. capability, and find it very intuitive to use.

I have a laptop, hand-held GPS, and A.I.S. receiver. I also carry the major small scale paper charts for the area where I sail. I carry a backup hard drive and spare GPS when I'm a long way from home!

Navigating electronily is great, and allows one to go into places where you probably wouldn't risk with paper charts. Knowing exactly where you are at any given moment is a pretty good feeling!

The Canadian and US charts are superb and, in my experience, have proven very accurate. In my youth I worked for Canadian Hydrographic Surveys for a summer, and was very impressed with the high degree of accuracy of the survey work, and the attention to detail. It set a bench mark for me for my next 35 years of surveying and mapping.

Cheers,
Peter
#1331 'Sin Tacha'
 
Aug 3, 2005
66
Hi All,

I'm a big fan of the Navionics application for the iphone. At ?15 for the
whole of the UK and Ireland, it needn't interfere with the budget for charts
etc. Obviously, you shouldn't use it as the only form of navigation, and
you'll spend more on trying to make the thing more waterproof, but I'd still
recommend if you have an iphone. I think they do North America versions.

Tom
 
Jul 12, 2009
14
Hey Peter,

Thank you, I hoped I might hear from you. Good thing I don't live in Victoria or I'd be inviting to buy you lunch every day.

I will need to figure some of this out, like the difference in formats. "Raster" and "Vector". I'll get there yet!

Why would you favor Memory Map over the free software? I did download the openCPN but have yet to make it work. But no doubt the trouble is on my end...

Stephen
 
Oct 31, 2019
303
What Garry said is absolutely correct. To add to that, the Canadian
Hydrographic Office, (I think that is what they are called, no matter)
wanted to release the Canadian charts to the public at no charge as NOAA did
with the U.S. charts -- this a couple years ago. But as Garry said, a
private company has a contract with the govt. in Canada to produce the
charts, so they couldn't be released. I am not totally sure, but I believe
they might be sometime in the future.

I might suggest, since you are in Canada, that you look into the Canadian
Power Squadron. I am a member of the Bellevue, WA squadron in the United
States Power Squadrons and I am also a Member of the CPS in the North
Vancouver Squadron (NORVAN). There are several squadrons within the greater
Vancouver area.

Both CPS and USPS teach a public course. In CPS you pay a few hundred
dollars for the public course (not sure the exact amount) but you also gain
membership in the organization. This then allows you to take member courses
-- the cost of these is really inexpensive compared to commercial courses.
Both organizations teach navigation courses from basic Piloting and
Seamanship, through celestial. They also teach electives such as engine
maintenance and electronics, just to name a couple. I am also on the USPS
Natioinal Education department and I can personally say that the courses are
modern and up-to-date (I just finished writing the section for the
Navigation course on offshore electronic navigation).

One other advantage of these organization is that you get to know a lot of
boater. Many are power boaters, but hey, a boat is a boat -- sailboats just
have a more complicated "engine." I have learned a tremendous amount from
being in the USPS since 1974 and now I teach courses in the Seattle area.

One other thought. If you have an Apple Iphone, Navionics has all the charts
of the west coast of Canada for $10.00. I have those and most of the US and
Caribbean (the Caribbean charts cost $20). Now, before anyone scoffs, these
are excellent charts. They have amazing detail. I have been doing teaching
navigation and engaging inblue water sailing for years and years -- I could
navigate a boat with these -- they are accurate and detailed enough. I
always carry a couple computers on board as well as having a chart plotter.
But now I have charts on the Iphone that I can quickly review when I want to
kill time (waiting for my wife in a store, or where ever). Maybe Navionics
has other charts available for other media -- such as Blackberry or even a
laptop.

Finally, Seaclear is a pretty good program and as was said it is freeware.
There is another I believe called Mapware or something like that. Fugawai
offers a 10 day free trial. I use three programs, The Capn, Rosepoint
(actually the old Maptech version of this program), and Nobeltec. But then I
teach the stuff so I can justify it (yeah sure).

That's enough, too long already,

Chris
 
Oct 31, 2019
303
I have my Iphone in a case called an Otterbox. It isn't waterproof, but
water resistant and drop resistant. I wouldn't want to drop it in the drink
as it won't float, but so far it has performed very well. It seems to
protect the phone well, while still allowing complete feature access.
Otterbox gives great customer support as well.
 
Sep 13, 2002
203
Raster charts are effectively photographs or scans, so as you increase
magnification the dots get larger and unreadable. The limitation is the
resolution of the image, and for high resolution the file size of the charts
will be large.
Vector charts are drawn in real time, which makes for a very small file
size, but the resolution is limited by the number of points that are used to
render.Google earth satellite maps are raster
Car satnav is vector

Alisdair
 
Oct 31, 2019
3
I got the Navionics Marine:British Columbia app for my iphone. I was quite surprised at the price ($9.99) and the coverage (essentially all of B.C and poking up into Alaska panhandle, and extending far into Oregon.) I still haven't tested it at sea so I can't comment on it too much but for the price and coverage, it is a fun app.
Ross________________________________
From: John A. Kinsella John.Kinsella@...
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 10:09:03 AM
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Re: Digital Charts


Hi Tom,
I've bought this too (Navionics UK/Ireland for iPhone.)

Have you found a waterproofing solution?

Googling suggests that the
http://www.amazon. com/H2O-Audio- Amphibx-Waterpro of-Armband/ dp/B001F8TG42/ ref=sr_1_ 6?ie=UTF8& s=electronics& qid=1263492458& sr=1-6

is pretty good??

John

V1447 Breakaway

Tom Rutter wrote:
 
Oct 31, 2019
3
I totally agree with Chris about the CPS. Great group, great organization.
Next time, I'll read all new messages before replying. Chris' message pretty well covers the iphone app.
Ross

________________________________
From: Chris Brown svflyaway@...
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 10:16:42 AM
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Digital Charts

What Garry said is absolutely correct. To add to that, the Canadian
Hydrographic Office, (I think that is what they are called, no matter)
wanted to release the Canadian charts to the public at no charge as NOAA did
with the U.S. charts -- this a couple years ago. But as Garry said, a
private company has a contract with the govt. in Canada to produce the
charts, so they couldn't be released. I am not totally sure, but I believe
they might be sometime in the future.

I might suggest, since you are in Canada, that you look into the Canadian
Power Squadron. I am a member of the Bellevue, WA squadron in the United
States Power Squadrons and I am also a Member of the CPS in the North
Vancouver Squadron (NORVAN). There are several squadrons within the greater
Vancouver area.

Both CPS and USPS teach a public course. In CPS you pay a few hundred
dollars for the public course (not sure the exact amount) but you also gain
membership in the organization. This then allows you to take member courses
-- the cost of these is really inexpensive compared to commercial courses.
Both organizations teach navigation courses from basic Piloting and
Seamanship, through celestial. They also teach electives such as engine
maintenance and electronics, just to name a couple. I am also on the USPS
Natioinal Education department and I can personally say that the courses are
modern and up-to-date (I just finished writing the section for the
Navigation course on offshore electronic navigation).

One other advantage of these organization is that you get to know a lot of
boater. Many are power boaters, but hey, a boat is a boat -- sailboats just
have a more complicated "engine." I have learned a tremendous amount from
being in the USPS since 1974 and now I teach courses in the Seattle area.

One other thought. If you have an Apple Iphone, Navionics has all the charts
of the west coast of Canada for $10.00. I have those and most of the US and
Caribbean (the Caribbean charts cost $20). Now, before anyone scoffs, these
are excellent charts. They have amazing detail. I have been doing teaching
navigation and engaging inblue water sailing for years and years -- I could
navigate a boat with these -- they are accurate and detailed enough. I
always carry a couple computers on board as well as having a chart plotter.
But now I have charts on the Iphone that I can quickly review when I want to
kill time (waiting for my wife in a store, or where ever). Maybe Navionics
has other charts available for other media -- such as Blackberry or even a
laptop.

Finally, Seaclear is a pretty good program and as was said it is freeware.
There is another I believe called Mapware or something like that. Fugawai
offers a 10 day free trial. I use three programs, The Capn, Rosepoint
(actually the old Maptech version of this program), and Nobeltec. But then I
teach the stuff so I can justify it (yeah sure).

That's enough, too long already,

Chris
 
Oct 31, 2019
15
Hi, All.

The Navionics Marine app also works with the Ipod Touch for an even less expensive back-up nav system for those who don't have Iphones.

Best regards

Perry Basden
Windsor, Ontario
 
Oct 31, 2019
3
The ipod touch doesn't have a GPS chip in it. If you google "ipod touch gps" you can find out how it locates you and you can also find an interesting add-on (a bay with a gps chip in it). Just thought I should mention this.
Ross
________________________________
From: Perry Basden basden@...
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 1:23:52 PM
Subject: RE: [AlbinVega] Re: Digital Charts


Hi, All.

The Navionics Marine app also works with the Ipod Touch for an even less expensive back-up nav system for those who don't have Iphones.

Best regards

Perry Basden
Windsor, Ontario
 
Oct 30, 2019
574
I bought the Otterbox for my wife. The one I bought is waterproof and shock proof. I believe its made from a glass-filled thermoset, so its hard as a rock, with a rubber cushion inside for shock absorption. The downside is that you cant charge while it is in the Otterbox. However, you can hook up headphones. If you had seen what my wife's ipod looked like a week after she got it, you'd understand the industrial strength otterbox.

Great products.

Jack
 
Oct 30, 2019
1,459
Stephen,
I use memory map because I received a free lifetime licence for my suggestions during it's early development. When AIS became available it was an easy and reasonable upgrade to the Pro version.

It's very feature-rich and easy to use. I stick with it because it's what I'm used to and it serves me very well.
Also, the regular updates are always adding neat new features :)

Reading some of the other posts on the subject: maybe I should be looking at an iPhone?

Peter
#1331 'Sin Tacha'
 
Aug 3, 2005
66
Hi John,

I use an aquapac. Not shock proof, but very waterproof. If you leave some
air in the bag (quite difficult not to) then it'll float too!

I think this is the one, but I don't think it was called an iPhone case when
I bought it.

I use the lanyard and have it round my neck, tucked into the oilskins.
Hopefully, that provides enough protection. It's a great way to keep a quick
check on things in between trips down to the the chart table.

Tom
 
May 31, 2006
263
- - Vancouver
Haven't checked the threat on this one...but check out Seaclear a free sofeware that is set up to use AIS...and by the way Peter, I'm waiting for that Standard Horizon...and, can you review your calander and see if I had the dates correct for the PNW Rendezvous?

See ya - Brian