Daysailer 3 roller furling

May 31, 2023
58
O'Day 22 Redlands, CA
I'm raising the jib for the first time. The boat has a two piece Schafer marine roller furling. One piece is attached on a plate with the forward mainstay, the other piece is attached to the head of the jib. Where does the top piece attach? There's no connection on the mast itself. It doesn't seem as if the jib halyard would work. I can't visualize it. Please help.
 
May 1, 2011
4,883
Pearson 37 Lusby MD
There should be a shackle on the jib halyard to connect to the piece on the right in your photo. Is there a foil with the furler that's on the headstay?
 
May 31, 2023
58
O'Day 22 Redlands, CA
no other pieces. I guess if I cleat the jib halyard, it will roll up. It's counterintuitive for me. I'll try it when I get home later this week.
 
Jun 2, 2004
1,941
Oday Day Sailer Wareham, MA
The upper swivel was originally spliced to the jib halyard, there is no other attachment to the mast. Here is a sketch of how those were setup, and a couple of pictures from an old Brochure:
Here are the instructions for hoisting jib (admitedly, I "reverse-engineered" them):
(1987-89) Fasten the tack of the jib to the top of the jib-furler drum; furler drum should be shackled to the eye-fitting just aft of the forestay (some 1989 boats had a longer stem fitting to accommodate both the forestay and the furler.) Lead the furling line aft to the clamcleat on the cuddy top, just aft and to port of the mast. The head of the jib is attached to the forked end of the upper furling swivel; the jib halyard is spliced to the ring on the top of the swivel. (See Day Sailer III Reefing Set-up page)

(All years) Tie the center of the jib sheet to the clew of the jib and then run each jib sheet inside of the side stays then through the fairleads attached to the cam-cleats mounted on tracks on top of the cockpit coamings. Tie a figure eight knot in each end of the jib sheet so as not to lose it. The jib is now ready to hoist. (See Figs 8 & 9)

The jib sheet cam-cleats on tracks are adjustable fore and aft – position them so that the tension on the foot and leech of the sail is about equal. Move lead forward to help stop leech flutter and aft to help stop foot flutter.
 

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Jun 2, 2004
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There should be a shackle on the jib halyard to connect to the piece on the right in your photo. Is there a foil with the furler that's on the headstay?
This is a "luff-wire" style furler, no foil. Same furler was used on the 192 (and some 222s), only good for furling, can't reef.
 
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O'Day 22 Redlands, CA
The upper swivel was originally spliced to the jib halyard, there is no other attachment to the mast. Here is a sketch of how those were setup, and a couple of pictures from an old Brochure:
Here are the instructions for hoisting jib (admitedly, I "reverse-engineered" them):
(1987-89) Fasten the tack of the jib to the top of the jib-furler drum; furler drum should be shackled to the eye-fitting just aft of the forestay (some 1989 boats had a longer stem fitting to accommodate both the forestay and the furler.) Lead the furling line aft to the clamcleat on the cuddy top, just aft and to port of the mast. The head of the jib is attached to the forked end of the upper furling swivel; the jib halyard is spliced to the ring on the top of the swivel. (See Day Sailer III Reefing Set-up page)

(All years) Tie the center of the jib sheet to the clew of the jib and then run each jib sheet inside of the side stays then through the fairleads attached to the cam-cleats mounted on tracks on top of the cockpit coamings. Tie a figure eight knot in each end of the jib sheet so as not to lose it. The jib is now ready to hoist. (See Figs 8 & 9)

The jib sheet cam-cleats on tracks are adjustable fore and aft – position them so that the tension on the foot and leech of the sail is about equal. Move lead forward to help stop leech flutter and aft to help stop foot flutter.
 
Aug 12, 2014
214
Universal Marine Montego 25 San Pedro, CA
This is a "luff-wire" style furler, no foil. Same furler was used on the 192 (and some 222s), only good for furling, can't reef.
Hey there @Sunbird22358 - I just purchased a new-to-me 1972 DS II in excellent condition. I noticed that one of my headsails (the older sacked out one haha) appears to have a luff wire and no hanks. I am considering adding a small furler for singlehanding, and I am curious about your comment about not being able to reef (partial furl) with a luff wire / no foil setup. Why is that? If you clean the furling line, can you not partially furl to reef? Or is the jib shape just really terrible if you try to do that?

Thanks in advance!
 
Jun 2, 2004
1,941
Oday Day Sailer Wareham, MA
Marke14,
The Wire-Luff furlers will not work for reefing for a few reasons, the luff-wire does not have enough torque resistance to consistently furl the sail evenly top to bottom, the drum applies torque (turning force) to the lower end but the further up the luff of the sail that twisting force gets, the less effect it has on rolling up the sail. A furler with an aluminum or composite extrusion to support the jib will produce a much more even twist for it's full length, as it is more rigid, and so as the drum rotates the extrusion, it rolls in the sail uniformly over it's full lull length. Even then, it is less than ideal for reefing, as sails have a curved "belly" shape to them and that results in there being more material to roll up in the middle of the jib than at the top and bottom, so the sail gets "baggier" with more "belly" as it is rolled up. The answer to this is to ad a foam pad in the luff of the sail to help roll in more material in that middle section of the jib, so it furls flatter, maintaining a better shape. The wire luff furlers can't really benefit from a foam pad because of the way they furl "from the bottom up", and the force of the wind on the sail tends of pull the sail out, unrolling it except at the bottom where the drum has most of it's effect.

Kind of hard to really explain all of this, but maybe think of it like this, hold a roller-type window shade by the top "shaft", and pull on the shade, notice how it just get tighter around that roller, but still uniform top to bottom (well, OK, side to side?). Now have someone hold a rolled up cloth (like a Boy scout's neckerchief) and pull the cloth out, see how it just pulls out..... the roll gets smaller and tighter, but it will unroll almost completely in the middle while the ends are held. Basically, that is what a partially furled wire-luff jib furler does. They are good when fully unrolled, and good when fully rolled up, but there is no way to really get them to keep the proper shape unless fully unrolled (and they can sag out of shape even then).

Finally, if the jib you found without hanks is already pretty limp and stretched out, it is not going to furl smoothly anyway, stretched out sails will have poor shape, and tend to cause more heeling (tipping) of the boat as they trap the wind, and so less of the wind's power goes to moving boat forward due to how much ends up causing that increased heeling. Blow out (stretched) sails will work better when sailing downwind than flatter sails will, as they catch more wind, but upwind, they will still work, but not efficiently. You could buy a furler setup and try it, but unless you found a decent used set, it is a little pricey if you did not get the results you hoped for.

As I say, it isn't real easy to explain all of this, easier to demonstrate, but can't really do that in an on-line forum (unless I had a video?).
Although they still really don't work for reefing, the newest Day Sailers (DSIV) built by Cape Cod Shipbuilding, do offer an optional jib furler, but that one is setup to replace the forestay, jib can't be removed without un-stepping mast. Those do have a big advantage in that they can be set up with a tighter luff than the wire-luff jib furlers that set just aft of the forestay, since with no separate forestay, there is no chance of jib luff and forestay getting tangled up. I would assume that involves a special type of swivel bearings in the furling gear.