Please take a look at the picture, and tell me if something was removed and glassed over. Can't figure this one out. Patch is about 8" x 6" . Any help appreciated. Thanks.
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Keel Trunk Assessment
Based on the picture, my guess is that this is from a mishap where the keel abutment was pulled out, causing the crack in the trunk. I would expect to see more damage below. If you are thinking of buying this boat - DON'T. Although these things can be repaired, the picture does not indicate a quality repair job. I assume that you are asking, because the truth of the matter is not known. Regards, Ted
Based on the picture, my guess is that this is from a mishap where the keel abutment was pulled out, causing the crack in the trunk. I would expect to see more damage below. If you are thinking of buying this boat - DON'T. Although these things can be repaired, the picture does not indicate a quality repair job. I assume that you are asking, because the truth of the matter is not known. Regards, Ted
Questions about the Crack near the Trunk
Howard: What does it look like inside the seat compartment? My C-22 has some cracks there, but they have been there for years, and don't leak, and haven't been any problem. I am, however, very concerned with the patch shown in your photo. It suggests to me that the boat leaked there. I would say that the crack is certainly below the water line. Are you thinking of making an offer on this boat? If so, I'd shop around more. What does the rest of the boat look like? If someone is going to GIVE this boat to you, I would add several more layers and increase the size of the patch before using the boat, and probably even have a professional look at it. Repairs may be required from the underside of the boat as well. What did the owner tell you about the crack? If you're thinking of buying this boat, I wouldn't, because it would be very difficult or impossible to resell. I hope you get several more responses to your question. It is helpful to those of us who read this fourm regularly to see the failure modes of a Catalina 22. Thanks for showing us the photo. Aldo
Howard: What does it look like inside the seat compartment? My C-22 has some cracks there, but they have been there for years, and don't leak, and haven't been any problem. I am, however, very concerned with the patch shown in your photo. It suggests to me that the boat leaked there. I would say that the crack is certainly below the water line. Are you thinking of making an offer on this boat? If so, I'd shop around more. What does the rest of the boat look like? If someone is going to GIVE this boat to you, I would add several more layers and increase the size of the patch before using the boat, and probably even have a professional look at it. Repairs may be required from the underside of the boat as well. What did the owner tell you about the crack? If you're thinking of buying this boat, I wouldn't, because it would be very difficult or impossible to resell. I hope you get several more responses to your question. It is helpful to those of us who read this fourm regularly to see the failure modes of a Catalina 22. Thanks for showing us the photo. Aldo
patch
Its the liner, yeah thats liner! that's patched here, someone replaced the keel bushings using the Catalina method yes they also did a very bad repair on the liner. I would be more interested in what kind of job they did on the hull, where the bushings inserts were installed. Have you had the boat in the water? Does it leak at the repair? Have you ask the owner if he did the repair? If you look in the hold on the port side you should be able to see the area where this repair was made you might also see that there was a bushing replacement on this side as well. take a look at the link and you will see what's been done to the boat. Hope this puts you mind at ease.
Its the liner, yeah thats liner! that's patched here, someone replaced the keel bushings using the Catalina method yes they also did a very bad repair on the liner. I would be more interested in what kind of job they did on the hull, where the bushings inserts were installed. Have you had the boat in the water? Does it leak at the repair? Have you ask the owner if he did the repair? If you look in the hold on the port side you should be able to see the area where this repair was made you might also see that there was a bushing replacement on this side as well. take a look at the link and you will see what's been done to the boat. Hope this puts you mind at ease.
patch
Thanks for your responses. The boat has not been in the water. I just purchased it. I assume I will have to reinforce the fiberglass patch. Any other suggestions would be more than welcome. Thanks. Howard
Thanks for your responses. The boat has not been in the water. I just purchased it. I assume I will have to reinforce the fiberglass patch. Any other suggestions would be more than welcome. Thanks. Howard
Liner fiberglas patch
First of all, any comments that I can offer here are due to what I have learned in this wonderful forum. As others have replied to your post, this is a patch to the liner only & would not have anything to do with a leak in the hull. This rough patch is a cosmetic concern only. The liner was probably cut out to gain access to the starboard keel hanger bearing weldment which is in the hull fiberglas & is not visible.. This weldment is a cylinder with a 5/16" NC female thread that the keel hanger bolt threads into. The weldment cylinder has a small plate welded to it to help secure it in the fiberglas. If the weldment internal thread was stripped, the weldment might have been removed by grinding away the fiberglas around it. The port side weldment area is accessible from under the seat. On second thought, (my C22 is still wrapped up for the winter so I can't look) the patch seems to be aft of the weldment area. If so, the liner was cut out to make access for a hull repair. If you are worried about it, cut out the liner patch & have a look. I think if this was a hull repair, it would have been done from the bottom & you might see evidence from the underside of the hull. Good luck from the far north. Bob B.
First of all, any comments that I can offer here are due to what I have learned in this wonderful forum. As others have replied to your post, this is a patch to the liner only & would not have anything to do with a leak in the hull. This rough patch is a cosmetic concern only. The liner was probably cut out to gain access to the starboard keel hanger bearing weldment which is in the hull fiberglas & is not visible.. This weldment is a cylinder with a 5/16" NC female thread that the keel hanger bolt threads into. The weldment cylinder has a small plate welded to it to help secure it in the fiberglas. If the weldment internal thread was stripped, the weldment might have been removed by grinding away the fiberglas around it. The port side weldment area is accessible from under the seat. On second thought, (my C22 is still wrapped up for the winter so I can't look) the patch seems to be aft of the weldment area. If so, the liner was cut out to make access for a hull repair. If you are worried about it, cut out the liner patch & have a look. I think if this was a hull repair, it would have been done from the bottom & you might see evidence from the underside of the hull. Good luck from the far north. Bob B.
patch job
I have a 1970 Catalina 22 #81, I am the orginal owner. Viewing the placement of the patch, I see this as the hole cut into the liner to place the pivot bolt for the swing keel. The early boats didn't have any hangers. The pivot bolt went right through the hull to the other side of the keel tunnel area. My boat had a round hole in the liner for access to the pivot bolt. To cover the hole I bought a Stainless steel louvered vent cover and installed that looks a lot better than your picture. The problem with the older boats through hull pivot bolt was they leaked. My boat almost sank because of this through hull bolt. Check under the seat area to see if a big bunch of epoxy or a shaving cream cap has been place over the through hull bolt. This epoxy unit will be right below the locking bolt on the very bottom of the hull. I epoxyed a cover over the nut,I have had no problems to this date. I sail the San Francisco Bay waters. I hope this helps AL Hughes (Aegir #81)
I have a 1970 Catalina 22 #81, I am the orginal owner. Viewing the placement of the patch, I see this as the hole cut into the liner to place the pivot bolt for the swing keel. The early boats didn't have any hangers. The pivot bolt went right through the hull to the other side of the keel tunnel area. My boat had a round hole in the liner for access to the pivot bolt. To cover the hole I bought a Stainless steel louvered vent cover and installed that looks a lot better than your picture. The problem with the older boats through hull pivot bolt was they leaked. My boat almost sank because of this through hull bolt. Check under the seat area to see if a big bunch of epoxy or a shaving cream cap has been place over the through hull bolt. This epoxy unit will be right below the locking bolt on the very bottom of the hull. I epoxyed a cover over the nut,I have had no problems to this date. I sail the San Francisco Bay waters. I hope this helps AL Hughes (Aegir #81)
Al Hughes - patch job
Your Info on the older C22 keel pivot pin would really be usefull for those sailors with that style. With hull #81, you are truly one of the C22 pioneers. Does anyone know what year Catalina started using the keel hanger bearings? Regards, Bob B. C22 #9102
Your Info on the older C22 keel pivot pin would really be usefull for those sailors with that style. With hull #81, you are truly one of the C22 pioneers. Does anyone know what year Catalina started using the keel hanger bearings? Regards, Bob B. C22 #9102
Al Hughes/ Title wrong year
Al, Al, You are right on with what the problem is. This was done on the early years boat. However, when I purchased my boat, I was told it was a 1975, so I found this a little confusing. Now , after trying to register my boat, it seems that the title is wrong, and my boat is indeed a 1970 , hull # 164. Hopefully I can fix this problem in order to get it registered. Anyone else have this problem with a boat not being titled correctly.
Al, Al, You are right on with what the problem is. This was done on the early years boat. However, when I purchased my boat, I was told it was a 1975, so I found this a little confusing. Now , after trying to register my boat, it seems that the title is wrong, and my boat is indeed a 1970 , hull # 164. Hopefully I can fix this problem in order to get it registered. Anyone else have this problem with a boat not being titled correctly.
Keel bolt / Hanger unit
Hello Howard I' m glad to hear that your problem has been solved. I believe that the keel bolts were replaced early in the production of the Catalina 22. If memory serves me correctly, the change was sometime in the years of 1972 to 1974, could have been a little earlier. This replacement to hanger, was to fix the leaking of the through hull keel bolt. One other Item that was changed by the factory was the Gudgeons. Heavy duty gudgeons replaced the lighter ones, because of failures in heavy seas. I still have the orginals on my boat and have not had any problems to date. One reason that I kept the orginals, was that they were too hard to get off for replacement. I hope that some of these small items help you with the older Catalinas. The Keel bolt was my biggest problem, other than that I was able to solve mast raising and the trailer bow tower. Don't get me wrong, I have many great times on my Catalina 22 and the fun outweights the problems 10X. Have a great sailing Summer. AL
Hello Howard I' m glad to hear that your problem has been solved. I believe that the keel bolts were replaced early in the production of the Catalina 22. If memory serves me correctly, the change was sometime in the years of 1972 to 1974, could have been a little earlier. This replacement to hanger, was to fix the leaking of the through hull keel bolt. One other Item that was changed by the factory was the Gudgeons. Heavy duty gudgeons replaced the lighter ones, because of failures in heavy seas. I still have the orginals on my boat and have not had any problems to date. One reason that I kept the orginals, was that they were too hard to get off for replacement. I hope that some of these small items help you with the older Catalinas. The Keel bolt was my biggest problem, other than that I was able to solve mast raising and the trailer bow tower. Don't get me wrong, I have many great times on my Catalina 22 and the fun outweights the problems 10X. Have a great sailing Summer. AL
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