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Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
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bob v.... yes you have it wrong....

you need the hit the books a bit before you dismiss the british navy of the 19th century. 20 years of Napolean? enforcing anti slave trade? Hmmm..there's much more. BTW the american navy had very few battles with the british. It was the French Navy that most often contested the British during the revolutionary war... at the chesapeake and later at the battle of he "saintes" in the carribean. The French allied with the americans to fight their natural enemy, the british, not because they liked them, but because they saw an opportunity to make substantial gains in the Carribean and Canada. In that regard, it was Great Britain that stood alone against Napolean's France for 20 years, winning great sea battles in egypt, holland and off the coast of spain. The americans didn't do squat, they didn't need to 'cause the english kept Napolean on his side of the Atlantic. The american marines' landing in tripoli was historic in that it was our first foray overseas..... but miniscule to the many, many accomplishments of the british navy during that time. In the 20th century the english fought germany for 2 years, at great loss of life and assets before the americans joined in, oh and didn't they sink the bismark?. 25 years later the island of great britain stood alone against nazi germany, and fought the japanese in southeast asia until the americans finally came to help out. The british may not have massive numbers of colonies as they did 200 years ago, but their influence in they way we do busines, conduct government, enforce laws, protect civil rights, train armies, wage war and make music is unsurpassed. Most all of their former colonies have remained staunch allies even after attaining independence.
 

Bob V

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Mar 13, 2008
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Catalina 42mkII Lagoon Point
Joe, what yuou say is true but...

I did not say that the US Navy blew them out of the water. I said the loss of the colonies was the beginning of the end for the British Empire. No disrepect to French Navy, if it had not been for them the outcome might have been different. But they spent most of their time in the Caribbean protecting their colonies. That alone was a major distraction for the English. When the English ships blockaded and shelled our coastal cities the French Navy did not come and chase them away. I agree with what you said about the French motivation in that alliance but if we had not shown ourselves to be a significant (albeit tiny) naval power there would have been no alliance with the French. We had no policy of intervention in foriegn wars at that time. We were only in the Med to protect American interests from pirates. So we did not interfere with the war between France and England or challenge their supremicy of the seas. One thing that England, France, Spain and the Americans agreed on at that time was that English ruled the seas. You said "It was the French Navy that most often contested the British during the revolutionary war." This is true, at least at sea. I think our six Frigates were built after the revolutionary war so other than using a few barges to transport troops across the bay in Boston we had no use for the sea in that battle. Even in the war of 1812, we could not stand up to the full force of the British Nave in the style of Naval Warfare at that time which was basically Battleships trading broadsides at close range. Our Navy fought the British on the sea much like the Continental Army fought the British on land. It was hit and run tactics that turned the tide. I know that the British Navy had many victories against the German Navy but they were not able to stop the submarines from devastating the merchant fleets. The outcome for England might have been tragically different, if the US had not joined in and taken the war to Germany. Now the point I made that brought the comment "where did you learn history" was simply that the US Navy today has supremecy on the seas." I think that is true. I can not think of any naval power that can stand up to us but of course we are still vulnerable to those same "hit and run tactics" that we used against the British when we were too weak to face them directly.
 
Jun 13, 2005
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Irwin Barefoot 37 CC Sloop Port Orchard WA
sand sailor, don't be embarrassed

But it might have looked more impressive flying off the backstay. Have fun Joe S
 
Sep 19, 2006
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SCHOCK santana27' lake pleasant,az
yes but my auxillary halyard failed a few weeks prior

and haven't replaced it yet :(
 
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