Hi all.. I am looking at corsairs (f24 mk2) anyone here have any pro/con's on the corsairs.. they are trailerable and fast but not to roomy.. thanks
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Corsair
We have several of these in our marina and the owners seem to have a great time on them. They are little rockets. Most of the ones I know of are daysailed. Never been inside. Seem to be well made. Rig seems to be of a type that would be pretty easy to handle. Looks like a lot of fun.
We have several of these in our marina and the owners seem to have a great time on them. They are little rockets. Most of the ones I know of are daysailed. Never been inside. Seem to be well made. Rig seems to be of a type that would be pretty easy to handle. Looks like a lot of fun.
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A member of our Sailing Club has one of these. On a reach the boat is a rocket ship. It will not go to weather. If you want to sail straight lines you can have fun, if your destination is toward the wind you will sail 2-3 times the distance to get there. IMHO you can't beat a mono hull for all around fun and performance.
A member of our Sailing Club has one of these. On a reach the boat is a rocket ship. It will not go to weather. If you want to sail straight lines you can have fun, if your destination is toward the wind you will sail 2-3 times the distance to get there. IMHO you can't beat a mono hull for all around fun and performance.
do you have the need for speed?
if sailing fast is your cup of tea they are great boats. if cruising is more to your liking keep looking. the Corsair nationals will be held here in April, if interested I will put you in touch with some of the folks.
if sailing fast is your cup of tea they are great boats. if cruising is more to your liking keep looking. the Corsair nationals will be held here in April, if interested I will put you in touch with some of the folks.
why not as good into the wind?
So tell me why a mono hull sails better then a corsair into the wind. I thought because the corsair has less healing max 15-20deg. it sails more straight up making it more efficient.
So tell me why a mono hull sails better then a corsair into the wind. I thought because the corsair has less healing max 15-20deg. it sails more straight up making it more efficient.
Sailing close to the wind requires a big keel
Just take a monohull with a swing keel and try to sail close to the wind with the keel pulled up..... Most production multihulls have relatively small, shallow keels compared to monohulls The reason deep large keels are so important here is because of the direction of the lifting forces produced by any sail sheeted in hard enough to produce the correct angle of attack for sailing close to the wind (i.e. close-hauled). These forces are largely oriented sideways, with only a small component vector oriented forward enough to provide the driving force needed to sail against the wind. Unless the dominant sideways forces are resisted by a large, deep keel the vessel will start sideslipping instead of going to windward. The whole process is not unlike squeezing a piece of soap between two hands in order to make it shoot forward. If the keel is too small to resist the strong sideways pressure it becomes impossible to make progress and one has to fall off to produce a larger forward vector. Have fun, Flying Dutchman PS This is not to take part in any type of multihull bashing but simply to try and clarify this issue. HM
Just take a monohull with a swing keel and try to sail close to the wind with the keel pulled up..... Most production multihulls have relatively small, shallow keels compared to monohulls The reason deep large keels are so important here is because of the direction of the lifting forces produced by any sail sheeted in hard enough to produce the correct angle of attack for sailing close to the wind (i.e. close-hauled). These forces are largely oriented sideways, with only a small component vector oriented forward enough to provide the driving force needed to sail against the wind. Unless the dominant sideways forces are resisted by a large, deep keel the vessel will start sideslipping instead of going to windward. The whole process is not unlike squeezing a piece of soap between two hands in order to make it shoot forward. If the keel is too small to resist the strong sideways pressure it becomes impossible to make progress and one has to fall off to produce a larger forward vector. Have fun, Flying Dutchman PS This is not to take part in any type of multihull bashing but simply to try and clarify this issue. HM
I think I understand!
Yes after reading a few times it is sinking(no pun intended) in and I see, so if your talking deg. off the wind is the differance 10,15,20,30deg. differant between mono & multi hull. 10deg isn't much but 30 would be a lot. Also, what is the avr. life of sails. I am going to look at a sailboat sat. its a 1996 would the sails be do to replace? I know if the sails were used in racing vs rec. use but just rec. used about 5yrs?? mark
Yes after reading a few times it is sinking(no pun intended) in and I see, so if your talking deg. off the wind is the differance 10,15,20,30deg. differant between mono & multi hull. 10deg isn't much but 30 would be a lot. Also, what is the avr. life of sails. I am going to look at a sailboat sat. its a 1996 would the sails be do to replace? I know if the sails were used in racing vs rec. use but just rec. used about 5yrs?? mark
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Would it be 10, 15, 20 or 30 degrees, you ask? The answer is alas YES to all. There are simply too many variables involved to pin it down much further. Sailing close to the wind while maintaining adequate speed is like sailing in very light winds in that one is trying to make the best of a very small forward driving force. The slightest disturbance, whether caused by wave action, a dirty hull, a dragging rudder or a poorly trimmed sail can snuff out all forward movement. Monohulls are usually heavier and therefore less affected by wave action. So, all other factors being equal, I would expect the difference in on the wind performance to be smallest (10 - 20 degrees?) in relatively flat conditions and largest (20 - 30 degrees?) in heavy seas . Maybe others can weigh in with their own estimates. With regard to the expected lifetime of sails there are again many factors to consider, e.g. quality of the fabric, hours of use in heavy winds, exposure to UV light and winter storage conditions. Unless the sails are heavily molded, chafed or torn there is not a lot that can be learned without actually hoisting them and trying to flatten them out. A sail that has seen heavy use will tend to be baggy and difficult to flatten. This may be most pronounced on first reef. Naturally, on the water testing would be best. If she sails well and the sails don't look too worse for wear you should be able to get several more years of good use out of them, unless you plan to become a racer..... Have fun, Flying Dutchman
Would it be 10, 15, 20 or 30 degrees, you ask? The answer is alas YES to all. There are simply too many variables involved to pin it down much further. Sailing close to the wind while maintaining adequate speed is like sailing in very light winds in that one is trying to make the best of a very small forward driving force. The slightest disturbance, whether caused by wave action, a dirty hull, a dragging rudder or a poorly trimmed sail can snuff out all forward movement. Monohulls are usually heavier and therefore less affected by wave action. So, all other factors being equal, I would expect the difference in on the wind performance to be smallest (10 - 20 degrees?) in relatively flat conditions and largest (20 - 30 degrees?) in heavy seas . Maybe others can weigh in with their own estimates. With regard to the expected lifetime of sails there are again many factors to consider, e.g. quality of the fabric, hours of use in heavy winds, exposure to UV light and winter storage conditions. Unless the sails are heavily molded, chafed or torn there is not a lot that can be learned without actually hoisting them and trying to flatten them out. A sail that has seen heavy use will tend to be baggy and difficult to flatten. This may be most pronounced on first reef. Naturally, on the water testing would be best. If she sails well and the sails don't look too worse for wear you should be able to get several more years of good use out of them, unless you plan to become a racer..... Have fun, Flying Dutchman
F27
At the Annapolis show, I signed up for a test ride on the 27. I'm not really the best person to ask about multi-hulls, as that was the first time I'd been on one, but I have to say that I was impressed. I wondered whether a boat that folds up would feel sloppy, or not stiff enough, but as we went out into an approaching nor-easter in the bay and the mouth of the Severn in 20 knot winds and a fair amount of waves the boat felt solid as a rock. And easily the fastest sail boat I've ever been on! I also wondered how well it would go towards weather, as I'd been told that multihulls don't do as well as monos. That was true, to some extent. It didn't feel like it pointed as high as my Catalina, and all tacking had to be accomplished VERY quickly because you could lose your momentum so easily. But overall, it did better than I expected. Cabin wasn't big, but I'm 6'2" and I could stand up inside. As I said, one 1/2 hour ride doesn't make me an expert on Corsairs, but it certainly got me interested. Nice boats.
At the Annapolis show, I signed up for a test ride on the 27. I'm not really the best person to ask about multi-hulls, as that was the first time I'd been on one, but I have to say that I was impressed. I wondered whether a boat that folds up would feel sloppy, or not stiff enough, but as we went out into an approaching nor-easter in the bay and the mouth of the Severn in 20 knot winds and a fair amount of waves the boat felt solid as a rock. And easily the fastest sail boat I've ever been on! I also wondered how well it would go towards weather, as I'd been told that multihulls don't do as well as monos. That was true, to some extent. It didn't feel like it pointed as high as my Catalina, and all tacking had to be accomplished VERY quickly because you could lose your momentum so easily. But overall, it did better than I expected. Cabin wasn't big, but I'm 6'2" and I could stand up inside. As I said, one 1/2 hour ride doesn't make me an expert on Corsairs, but it certainly got me interested. Nice boats.
like all boats
think about how you will use it!!!! We have a kinda heavy monohull (pearson 323) and were buzzed this fall by a Corsair. We were on a beam reach and they were easily doing twice our speed. For daysailing I can't imagine a much better boat. But I think that all multihulls quickly lose most of their advantages when you load them down with stuff. Also they might be a handfull if you were sailing all day. Even our boat is a handfull when the wind is up and the bay is covered with whitecaps.
think about how you will use it!!!! We have a kinda heavy monohull (pearson 323) and were buzzed this fall by a Corsair. We were on a beam reach and they were easily doing twice our speed. For daysailing I can't imagine a much better boat. But I think that all multihulls quickly lose most of their advantages when you load them down with stuff. Also they might be a handfull if you were sailing all day. Even our boat is a handfull when the wind is up and the bay is covered with whitecaps.
Tom's right
load em down with all the fun things cruisers take out TV, micro, etc,etc and they lose their speed quickly. fun day sailors and racers, hence my orginal question!
load em down with all the fun things cruisers take out TV, micro, etc,etc and they lose their speed quickly. fun day sailors and racers, hence my orginal question!
Dan ; let me know about April Corsairs
we might be able to vacation about that time and sail over. It would be fun to watch. I've always liked multihulls in concept but spent my money on mono's. If money was no problem I'd probably have a 50-60' cat. Could you imagine getting in the tradewinds on a big cat??? Plus if you get bored you can play tennis on the deck!!!
we might be able to vacation about that time and sail over. It would be fun to watch. I've always liked multihulls in concept but spent my money on mono's. If money was no problem I'd probably have a 50-60' cat. Could you imagine getting in the tradewinds on a big cat??? Plus if you get bored you can play tennis on the deck!!!
yep Tom, if I had
an extra 250-300k to part with a big cat would be my weapon of choice!
the Corsair National will be held in mid April on Pensacola Bay right off from PYC. Im trying to convince the organizers to use the cove at Ft McCree to keep their boats while not racing. we will be looking for folks to ferry them back and forth from the Rod n Reel Marina and help watch over the boats at night for those staying ashore. let me know if you want to join the party.
an extra 250-300k to part with a big cat would be my weapon of choice!
the Corsair National will be held in mid April on Pensacola Bay right off from PYC. Im trying to convince the organizers to use the cove at Ft McCree to keep their boats while not racing. we will be looking for folks to ferry them back and forth from the Rod n Reel Marina and help watch over the boats at night for those staying ashore. let me know if you want to join the party.- Status