Coolers, ice chests, etc.

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Jan 13, 2013
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Catalina 22 Lake Champlain
Sailers know warm soda, sandwiches and beer suck.

In warm weather, without mechanical refrigeration, on a one, two or three day cruise, store bought coolers don't cut it - unless of course you pack more ice - than provisions.

The problem is not simply the ratio of provisions vs. ice. It is the R-factor of the cooler! Most coolers have 1/2" to 1-1/4" wall thickness. The lids are usually hollow having NO insulation. We assume the perimeter and bottom void is filled with some R-valued insulation, typically injected between the inner and outer plastic or steel shapes that form the cooler.

In restoring my 1976 C-22, I'd like a "built-in" fridge of some sort and stowing a cooler isn't viable - IMO.

2" thick, rigid, construction foam is used in the trades as a wall, floor and roofing insulator. It cuts easily on a table saw, Sawzall, or utility knife to conform to any shape, and is easily glued with 3M spray adhesive. The R-value of that insulating foam is 2 to 3 times greater than most coolers.

I cannot be the only person that has thought of using this material for a "built-in" cooler and was hoping I just didn't search the correct terms to get a "hit."

The stuff is cheap, superior to any cooler R-value I'm aware of and could be contoured for hull curvature to maximize flush mounting to almost any shape. Gluing two, 2" thick panels together, would keep beer cold for a year :)

If no one's done this already, I'm surprised. Which compartment I build it in, and exactly how - is still the work in progress... But this I know: the R-value is key; and I plan on cold beer - after 3-days out and 2" thick, rigid, foam is the material I'll be using.
 
Aug 3, 2010
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Oday 28 Malletts Bay, Lake Champlain
Yup


Combine this beige board with the expandable yellow spray stuff to fill voids. A gap will screw up your overall insulation value.
 
Jan 13, 2013
214
Catalina 22 Lake Champlain
Having been in the field of thermodynamics part of my life (and not falling asleep in 8th grade science) I offer the following cooler tips:

1. Most store-front, bagged ice is not as cold as your home freezer. Don't buy ice. Make it. It'll last longer.

2. The larger the ice (block vs. cubes) - the longer it lasts.

3. Never use loose ice. One quart or one gallon milk jugs, with screw lids - are about as efficient an ice maker as one can find. Make sure to fill to the top, push in the four sides until ~ 10%+ of the water spills over the top and screw the lid on tight WHILE SQUEEZING - so BEFORE the water freezes, room for expansion - doesn't blow out the container.

4. Ice made in your freezer (12+ hours) will be around 0ºF. Ice from most vending machines will be 10 to 20ºF. Guess which will last longer?

5. The greater the R-value of your "cooler's" six sides - the longer stuff will stay cold.

6. Air, is also an insulator. Keep the gallon jug in the middle of the cooler, not up against the side.

7. Do not put warm/ambient beer/soda/ in the cooler.

8. Use a cooler from home to transport already frozen or refrigerated stuff and the gallon jug(s) of ice - to the boat. Make sure the transfer cooler is roughly the size of the built-in cooler onboard.

9. Since the ice is in gallon jug(s), no drain is required.

10. If you're into looks with functionality, the 2" thick foam could be "lined" with anything nicer looking than green or pink Dow/Amoco board foam e.g., aluminum foil, thin, white, sheet plastic, or use a foam board specific caulk - to fill shaping voids or errors.

BTW, this pink or greenish 2" thick board is ~ $35. for a 4' X 8" sheet. They also make 2 X 8' sheets. Home Depot and any decent sized lumber yard has it in stock. Think about what 32 s.f. of foam could build, size-wise.

As far as a "lid" goes? Let your creative juices flow...:eek:
 
Jun 17, 2011
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catalina catalina 22 great salt lake
pondering this also

the problem IMO is there's no good place to put or build a good sized well insulated cooler in the pre 85 C22. It's in the way in the cabin and won't fit down the cockpit hatches. I was thinking like you to build one, but where? under my companion way step seems to be the most easily assesable and conveint place also like the >85 boats, mine is a fin keel so no winch assembly and I thought I would enlarge and rought the cockpit drains to the transom and lose the throughhull as I have allready axed the sink drain hose. The cons in my mind are: strange shape, sorta dificult to clean and making really custom mods to a boat/car/camper usally detracts from resale.
but hey the best thing about this forum is to see other people's idea's and opinions
 
Mar 20, 2012
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Cal 34-III, MacGregor 25 Salem, Oregon
some waters we sail on are in the 80degree temperature range.... and the space between the liner and hull gets very warm, quite a bit higher than the cabin temps that have air movement thru them. this would cause the ice to melt quicker below than in the salon...
but some folks never experience warm water with their boats...

the "5 day" ice chest coolers are a significant improvement over the older types, and starting with cold drinks and contents with about 50% commercial bag ice (cubes) in a 52qt cooler, i have found the ice to keep for about 7+ days in daytime temps of 85-95degrees.
this is with normal opening and closing whenever we want something out of it, and using the some of the ice for our evening beverages... there are only two of us, so the lid is not working like a fan, like it would be if we had 4 kids:D
the only precautions we take to help insure it stays as cool as possible is, we have a large white beach towel we keep over it. this helps insulate it from the breeze blowing thru the cabin and also from the sun if it should shine in thru the open companionway to where the cooler is kept.

in my opinion, a built in ice chest is only an option because it would be out of the way.

the problem with getting cold stuff to the built in cooler, and probably not being able to without considerable trouble of having to use an ice chest anyway, negates any benefits of building one.
also having to drain it into the bilge or use a pump to get rid of the water is quite a bit of trouble for what i think is not going to be a measurable improvement over a good cooler.... this is only my opinion based on my considerable experiences with ice chests and depending on them for fresh food on both land and sea....
 

Ken

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Jun 1, 2004
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Catalina 22 P. P. Y. C.
We use one of the five day coolers, but. To extend ice I taped Syran wrap in the lid then put a bead of silicon on the cooler shut the lid for two days, opened the lid removed to Syran wrap.... Solid cheap gasket no more air gap... Shocking just how much of air gap there is in the lid.

On the bottom of the coolerwe cut and glued a piece of the 1/2" cheap sleeping mats that backpackers use, this helps with the heat transfer.

We freeze water in gallon jugs and look for block ice, most places have it one just has to ask..

Our cooler sits forward, (porta pottie removed). Any water is removed using a dedicated bilge pump.

We've used wag bags for years..

But.... I really like your idea, the perfect area for the fridge, under the funnel. Several of the guys I sail with opened that area for storage, lots of wasted space there.
 
Oct 17, 2011
2,809
Ericson 29 Southport..
Don Casey goes into great detail on how to build fridges with foam board. Very interesting, and good plans for its construction.
 
Mar 20, 2012
3,983
Cal 34-III, MacGregor 25 Salem, Oregon
a refrigerator vs. an icebox/cooler...... a cold generator or degenerating cold (ice)... depending on what method you plan to use would make a difference if a portable cooler is best, or if it would make more sense to "build" it in...
 
Jan 13, 2013
214
Catalina 22 Lake Champlain
Chris? Got a link to the Don Casey thread? Searching by using his name brings no hits...
 
Feb 20, 2011
8,048
Island Packet 35 Tucson, AZ/San Carlos, MX
Just guessing here, but most likely it will be in a book by Don Casey, and not on this site.
 
Oct 17, 2011
2,809
Ericson 29 Southport..
Yeah, sorry man, should have been more specific. The book is "This Old Boat", about 49 bucks. But you should be able to Amazon it a little cheaper. As far as working on boats, I promise you that it will be the best money you've ever spent on construction techniques. My reference materials would fill a truck, titles such as "Yacht Design Details", and such that I'll use for SERIOUS refits, but Don's book is an absolutely must have. His part on ice-boxes and fridges is a chapter long. Of how to BUILD them custom, not buy them. And yours will be worlds above better that what you could buy.
Borrow or steal the money. You'll love it..
 
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