Hello, I'm considering a 150% furling genny for my water ballasted H-19. I imagine they make these for the fractional rig, since they show up on Doyle Sailmakers' pages. Does anyone out there use this arrangement, and did they customize the jibsheet cleats to accomodate the added load (such as the Spinlock PXs?) Another question: has anyone reached the rated hullspeed of 5.5 knots? Yesterday I was doing 4kts on a port reach in a 12kt steady breeze, and just about every other boat on the bay was blowing past me. Of course, I had the kids aboard so I was conservative, but still, it seems I could do better. Maybe it's just my trimming skills (lack thereof!) Thanks in advance. Rgds CJV
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Frank Ladd
150%
I'm considering a drifter for my Hunter 23.5 . So far I've not seen anyone go over 135 on the headsail unless they got a cruising spinnaker. The large main on the B&R rig does not demand a large jib like other boats rigs. As far as your speed I'd play with the sail trim to see if you can do better. I find mine does best at about 15 degrees on the inclinometer and sails trimed pretty flat in over ten knots of wind. In light winds I keep up with of pass most boats my size. In heavy winds the boats my size or large pass me.
I'm considering a drifter for my Hunter 23.5 . So far I've not seen anyone go over 135 on the headsail unless they got a cruising spinnaker. The large main on the B&R rig does not demand a large jib like other boats rigs. As far as your speed I'd play with the sail trim to see if you can do better. I find mine does best at about 15 degrees on the inclinometer and sails trimed pretty flat in over ten knots of wind. In light winds I keep up with of pass most boats my size. In heavy winds the boats my size or large pass me.
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Scott Mathey
H 19- 93-96 hull speed
Cesar, thanks, I didn't know anyone cared. I seldom hear from a 19 sailor. I am happy to let you know that the highest speed I have reached was 8.2 knots and it was fun. The rub rails were in the water and I was sailing with full main and a 100% rollerfurling jib. I am not sure of the wind speed except that it was substancial. I like to flatten out the main as much as possible after four knots or so, "hull speed". With higher wind speeds it will continue to deliver power without cupping the wind and healing over too far. The knot speed was measured from a Garmin Etrex hand held GPS. I would like to have a 150% jib for better speed from lower wind speeds. Sailing in light winds with a 100% jib is a slow experience. You would be in a good situation as with a roler furling if you get over powered by the jib you can reduce to 135% or 100% or less if necessary. If I ever enter a race or regatta I would like to have a 135 or 150 depending on the wind that day as on a light wind day with a 100% roller furler sail, a 19 sailor better get use to the view of the back of any boat that have a larger sail sq. ft space. Good to hear from you. Take Care
Cesar, thanks, I didn't know anyone cared. I seldom hear from a 19 sailor. I am happy to let you know that the highest speed I have reached was 8.2 knots and it was fun. The rub rails were in the water and I was sailing with full main and a 100% rollerfurling jib. I am not sure of the wind speed except that it was substancial. I like to flatten out the main as much as possible after four knots or so, "hull speed". With higher wind speeds it will continue to deliver power without cupping the wind and healing over too far. The knot speed was measured from a Garmin Etrex hand held GPS. I would like to have a 150% jib for better speed from lower wind speeds. Sailing in light winds with a 100% jib is a slow experience. You would be in a good situation as with a roler furling if you get over powered by the jib you can reduce to 135% or 100% or less if necessary. If I ever enter a race or regatta I would like to have a 135 or 150 depending on the wind that day as on a light wind day with a 100% roller furler sail, a 19 sailor better get use to the view of the back of any boat that have a larger sail sq. ft space. Good to hear from you. Take Care
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Crazy Dave Condon
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Cesar
Mast probably needs tuning
Actually, I think not. My inner shrouds are kind of loose, though the mast is raked back slightly when unloaded. I know I should work on it but my hands are full when I sail with the family. Thanks for the suggestion. Rdgs CJV
Actually, I think not. My inner shrouds are kind of loose, though the mast is raked back slightly when unloaded. I know I should work on it but my hands are full when I sail with the family. Thanks for the suggestion. Rdgs CJV
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Cesar
That's some heel!
Rubrails in the water! I've not heeled that much on the H-19... I have this paranoia that 600 lbs of water ballast is not enough, though it seems that you had no problem with that. Definitely not for a family outing... Last week, in the remnants of Hurricane Isidore, we had 7-8 foot seas on LI Sound, and 4-5 ft rollers in Huntington Bay. I had an unreefed main up and nothing else, and could not even tack. We'd point to windward and immediately get pushed backwards with the stern dipping into the troughs. Ended up having to jibe to avoid running up on the beach. Running downwind was easier, though still a challenge for a boat that small. My 200 lb neighbor was crewing with me and I had him sitting in the companionway hatch to increase our stability! Back to the heeling, though. I recall reading on this forum that someone had his H-19 at 30 degrees before it would round about. Have you encountered the same situation? Rgds, CJV
Rubrails in the water! I've not heeled that much on the H-19... I have this paranoia that 600 lbs of water ballast is not enough, though it seems that you had no problem with that. Definitely not for a family outing... Last week, in the remnants of Hurricane Isidore, we had 7-8 foot seas on LI Sound, and 4-5 ft rollers in Huntington Bay. I had an unreefed main up and nothing else, and could not even tack. We'd point to windward and immediately get pushed backwards with the stern dipping into the troughs. Ended up having to jibe to avoid running up on the beach. Running downwind was easier, though still a challenge for a boat that small. My 200 lb neighbor was crewing with me and I had him sitting in the companionway hatch to increase our stability! Back to the heeling, though. I recall reading on this forum that someone had his H-19 at 30 degrees before it would round about. Have you encountered the same situation? Rgds, CJV
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Scott Mathey
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Hello again, yes, as you mentioned that is some heel. And as you suspected yes a few times when heeling to that extent it only takes very little additional ghust and the craft will loose rudder grip and round up and face the wind. This did scare the h--- out of me the first time this happend. I am not sure if all sailboats do this or not but that is one thing I love about the physics of this boat. And yes I agree with sailing a little more conservative whith anyone that is uncomfortable with rubrail surfing, I learned this when out by myself as my Wife, until she got used to it, hated heeling the boat over that far. Once we were blown over so bad the lower part of the windows were in the water for a second or two.By the look on my wifes face when she came up out of the companion way I thought this might end up being a man overboard practice. Luckily she only said DON'T EVER DO THAT AGAIN, so I dont. The lake where I sail is ghusty with consecutivly unpredictable wind speeds. Just about the time I reef the wind will die down or quit so I have learned sailtrim and it has made cruising more enjoyable and safer.
Hello again, yes, as you mentioned that is some heel. And as you suspected yes a few times when heeling to that extent it only takes very little additional ghust and the craft will loose rudder grip and round up and face the wind. This did scare the h--- out of me the first time this happend. I am not sure if all sailboats do this or not but that is one thing I love about the physics of this boat. And yes I agree with sailing a little more conservative whith anyone that is uncomfortable with rubrail surfing, I learned this when out by myself as my Wife, until she got used to it, hated heeling the boat over that far. Once we were blown over so bad the lower part of the windows were in the water for a second or two.By the look on my wifes face when she came up out of the companion way I thought this might end up being a man overboard practice. Luckily she only said DON'T EVER DO THAT AGAIN, so I dont. The lake where I sail is ghusty with consecutivly unpredictable wind speeds. Just about the time I reef the wind will die down or quit so I have learned sailtrim and it has made cruising more enjoyable and safer.
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David Foster
Doyle APC Asymetric Spinnaker
Is available on this site for your boat. Unless you are racing, this is a much better solution to keep you moving in light air than a 150. Get an ATN sock, and you can rig it with your small jib. The 150 is good on the wind, but progressively problematic as the wind moves aft of the beam. The asymetric will pull from 60 to 150 degrees off the wind in light air. And it gives you more square footage than the 150. David Lady Lillie
Is available on this site for your boat. Unless you are racing, this is a much better solution to keep you moving in light air than a 150. Get an ATN sock, and you can rig it with your small jib. The 150 is good on the wind, but progressively problematic as the wind moves aft of the beam. The asymetric will pull from 60 to 150 degrees off the wind in light air. And it gives you more square footage than the 150. David Lady Lillie
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