Comments on staysail

Nov 2, 2003
198
Hello, The trend for staysails is to fly them free. Use textile
halyards,technora or a small boat as our Veaga, spectra. A 2 : 1
halyard should be used that is dead ended to the mast. This will cut
down on mast compression and reduce loads on the winch. If you should
set the tack pin more than say 2 feet form the stem you will have to
put tracks on the cabin top. The sheeting angle will be too wide if
you use the sheer track. The main problem with staysails (ie two
forestays)is controlling forestay sag. The backstay tension is
essentially divided in two by the two forward stays.

Before you chuck your roller furling gear you should try a laminate
sail. If you are in Florida I could lend you mine in the fall.
Although it is a bit heavy for light winds it's heavy wind performance
is great.

Alan & Felicity V1639
 
Oct 31, 2019
303
Your suggestion is right-on and works for bigger boats too (you must be a
sail maker???). However, if it is too far aft, what about supporting the
upward load? Maybe the anchor locker bulkhead, will that take the load on a
Vega? On a boat as small as the Vega I wonder though if it is practical to
set it aft enough to be a true staysail. When it is attached close to the
bow I was told it is a solent stay or something like that.



I did exactly what you are suggesting on both a 34 and 40 footer when I was
cruising, but had the deck fitting just aft the furler (actually on the 40 I
was able to use an extension on the anchor roller fitting - I reinforced it
by the way). I used spectra for both (built into the sail itself), then
attached the head fitting to the halyard. I didn't use the purchase as you
suggested as I didn't think of it - but might not anyway as it seems like
more "stuff" to deal with on the mast. I just used my spare jib halyard.
Good idea though to double-block it, I have to think about that one.



As for roller furling. I prefer it myself. Even on a big boat I hate going
forward in any kind of blow. On my Vega I have my 135 designed to furl to a
good shape down to about a 100. It is surprisingly well shaped when furled.
(For those of you who know her, I had Hasse at Port Townsend Sails design
and build it)



Another question for you Vega pros. How does the Vega sail with just a
reefed main alone? I once had a boat that balanced very well and it was nice
to furl the jib and just go on the reefed main. I've had storm sails built
for a couple boats but never used them actually - but then was never in
anything over more than a 50kt breeze, well with some gusts above that.
Actually it wasn't the wind that was ever the problem, just the waves.



I think my current mind set if it gets too bad is just to set a small
steadying sail, heave-to, crawl into my bunk, and pull the covers over my
head.



Chris

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Hello, The trend for staysails is to fly them free. Use textile
halyards,technora or a small boat as our Veaga, spectra. A 2 : 1
halyard should be used that is dead ended to the mast. This will cut
down on mast compression and reduce loads on the winch. If you should
set the tack pin more than say 2 feet form the stem you will have to
put tracks on the cabin top. The sheeting angle will be too wide if
you use the sheer track. The main problem with staysails (ie two
forestays)is controlling forestay sag. The backstay tension is
essentially divided in two by the two forward stays.

Before you chuck your roller furling gear you should try a laminate
sail. If you are in Florida I could lend you mine in the fall.
Although it is a bit heavy for light winds it's heavy wind performance
is great.

Alan & Felicity V1639
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Oct 2, 2005
465
I appreciate your offer, but I am on the west coast so that won't
work. Actually, the reason I'm thinking of removing the furling gear
is so that I can pick my mooring singlehanded. With a hanked jib
after I pick the mooring I can drop the sail in seconds but with the
furling gear I need to get back to the cockpit and work the sail back
in. Also she won't roll up well, with the bow straight into the wind,
and there is the chance she will fill and send me into my neighbor.
This is complicated by the fact that the boat is rigged with double
headstays, two equal headstays set about 7" apart on the stem. She
has been rigged this way for many years however the previous owner ( I
have only had the boat for about 5 months) installed the furling
system on the port stay. I liked it at first but then found that the
jib can only be set or doused on a starboard tack, or the sail tends
to foul the starboard stay, and then won't roll up at all. I don't
dare enter the moorings without the jib because I need her both for
windward ability and also to kick the bow around in close quarters.
am thinking of setting a larger sail, perhaps a 135%, on one stay and
keeping a smaller working jib bagged on the other. My earlier
question, which I am still puzzling over, was related to how to rig a
removable stay, closer to the mast, for the exclusive use of a storm
jib. The user's group is a huge help to me, and I appreciate your
comments and experience. craig