Combi refurb - sense of humour failure!

Oct 30, 2019
114
Well, I have had enough - what a day! I loath, detest and hate my combi..... if the bloody boat was insured I would have set fire to it!

If you don't have a combi (you lucky man) please do not bother reading this - it is boring! If you do.... and the rear oil seal leaks a bit - just leave it well alone!!!!
When my back has recovered from 10 hours of being bent double in the cockpit, wresting with the cursed thing, I shall try and put together a blow by blow photographic account of my experiences. Briefly....

Taking it apart was easy - pretty much as per the instructions.... bought all the new seals and bearings and fitted them all... so far so good.
With son helping, - we slid the shaft through the new stern bearing, through the stern gland thing (all new seals and white metal bushes) and it got a bit tight so I told my son to push a bit harder (which he did!) and it locked solid! Oh gloom.... never mind, just pull it out again. It would not budge and after much tugging the only answer was to cut open and remove the hose so that we had something solid to pull against and then it came back out. (the hose acted as a shock absorber and stopped us from freeing it off)

Anyway, after a bit of investigation, it seemed that the new white metal bearings were binding. I tried the old ones and they were still a tight fit but slid on and off ok... so what to do? I decided to re-fit the original ones - they were not worn. So... slid it in (with a new piece of hose) and this time success..

Now the fun begins... I followed the combi instructions very carefully and got as far as fitting the nut at the front of the combi - the one that tightens the front clamp rings.. well I tried for hours to get the thread to start but no joy!!!! In - out - shake the damn thing all about - I took it out more times than I can remember and checked everything a zillion times.. still no joy...
.......after a great deal of head scratching and studying I noticed that on the exploded diagram it shows one clamp ring - but I took out two! I began to doubt my sanity and took everything apart again and checked that I had put everything back as it should be - yes I had an extra clamp ring! I took it apart yet again and removed the extra clamp ring and the nut screwed in easily - phew!
I was now getting worried - why did I take out two clamp rings (the rings are in pairs which fit inside each other) when the exploded diagram shows just one? It must have been done for a reason but no matter how I tried the nut would not start in its thread with two clamp ring units in situ!

So... sod it - lets get it back together with one clamp ring. I tightened up the nut and then tried to slide the geared shaft in (the actuator for altering the prop pitch).. surprise surprise it would not fit.. after more head scratching I discovered that the control tube had not been inserted quite far enough into the sleeve thing and therefore the gears would not mesh properly. Yes you have guessed it - out it all came again! At this stage I was suicidal.

Anyway, I took it all apart and discovered that the clamp rings inside the combi (another set of clamp rings!) had jammed up and prevented the shaft from sliding in properly and had not effectively "clamped" the the shaft to the slider.... so..... after another load of buggering about I discovered that the only way to successfully get the clamp rings to engage is to slide them onto the shaft first and then push the shaft home (I used a felt pen to mark the correct depth of insertion this time!!).... so ... that technique worked and I decided to tighten it all up and try a "dry run" without bothering with the key and front clamp rings... all was well, so out it came again - this time the key was fitted along with the single clamp ring and in it all went. Allah be praised. it all seemed to work as advertised.... I have probably caused about 5 years wear and tear on all the new seals considering the number of times it has gone in and out!

Never again!.......... I do not consider myself inexperienced when it comes to mechanical stuff... I have worked on engines and gearboxes since I was a kid - from tractors and diggers to a Porsche 911 so I know my way around a toolbox but this nearly had me reaching for the razor blades.... Jesus I hope it starts and runs ok tomorrow...

Suffice to say that I am now intimately familiar with the combi unit but never want to see the inside of one ever again!

off to "down" a bottle of wine and sleep for a week..

Luv

John

ps - if someone tells me it really should have 2 clamp rings at the front I shall join the local monastery and devote my life to quiet contemplation.

pps I am now convinced that the prop and its shaft will part company with the engine at a most inconvenient time and cause me to demolish some exotic marina and sink half a dozen nearby yachts.. I feel an outboard coming on....
 
Nov 8, 2001
1,818
Dear Brother John

I hear the Cistersian Monastry is the best one to join....

The control tube has two pairs of clamping rings as does the shaft! Sorry to be the purveyor of bad news..

Now you know why I will not touch Combis anymore!

Cheers Abbot Steve
 
Aug 16, 2011
35
Wow ... I've had days like that! Of course, one must remember that you're dealing with Swedish engineering ... it doesn't bode well for either English nor American's to fool with such contraptions! (I had some German ship's engineers completely baffled with a waterblasting machine powered by a John Deere diesel ... which wouldn't start until I showed up ... "Its American ... it doesn't like you guys!" Time to go to the pub ... or learn to swear in Swedish! Best regards,
Tom
V1690 Poulsbo, WA USA
 
Oct 30, 2011
221
Oh gloom... death and despondency is all around me! Well it looks
like I shall have to take it all out again! Are you absolutely sure?
The diagram only shows one... and if it does have two (the front 2
where it joins the engine) how on earth do you get the nut to start on
its thread? I shall now go and boil my head.....
I curse the combi and it designer and all his heirs and descendants...

Steve - do you mind if I give you a ring later?
 
Nov 8, 2001
1,818
Hi John

I will be out today as I am judging a Youth Speech Contest but best person
to chat with is Ray Steele our new Technical Officer. He is a real engineer
and actually understands all things Combi! His email address is
ray@...

CheersSteve B
 
Oct 30, 2011
221
UNBOUNDED JOY!!!!!! I love my combi.... took that wonderful piece of
engineering apart this morning - Jesus I am getting fast at combi
fitting and removal - it took about 20 mins . I slid the damn thing
back, inserted the "extra" clamp ring and then..... it was time for
the infamous "fulsome blows"! (I think I shall rename her "Fulsome
Blows"). That seems to have pushed the shaft that extra couple of
thou into the engine and, alleluia, the nut started on its thread!
Yippee, hooray etc etc....

Anyway - in she went (bless her) and all is well with the world. I
shall buy a lottery ticket today - feeling lucky!

I shall try and put together a photographic version of these events
entitled "How not to refurb your combi" (including every possible cock
up that can be made) so no one else has to suffer such frustrations!

My application to the local monastery has been destroyed and I am
looking forward to meeting a bevy of naked dusky maidens on some
remote tropical island.

Luv and kisses...

Rear Admiral John (C.S.E)

ps note to self - send the pillock that drew the exploded diagram a
strongly worded letter of complaint!

pps.. I have now completed my Combi specialist training and have made
myself a "Combi Specialist Engineer" certificate. If anyone needs any
combi work doing please call. I only charge ?100 per hour plus travel
costs - a bargain!

.....phew!
 
Oct 30, 2011
221
Now you tell me! :).... can I now be voted on as the Combi
specialist? (what's the pay - does the job come with a pension and
health benefits?)
 
Nov 8, 2001
1,818
Well done Ex-Brother John! You can now be elected as "VAGB Combi Expert"

Pay is exactly the same as I get for being Treasurer VAGB.... Yep, youve
guessed it - ZILCH. Benefits include people's undying love, pint at the AGM
and I must admit I have been given quite a few bottles of that Scottish
Hardstuff over the years...

Cap'n Steve
 
Oct 30, 2011
221
Well all was going fine until....... that fiendish Swedish Goblin has
been up to his old tricks again...
I decided to fill the prop boss with grease and duly loosened the
small bolt that sits in the grease nipple hole and went to fetch the
grease nipple from the combi casing. Upon my return - no small bolt!
It must have been hanging on its last bit of thread and came loose as
I clambered on board. Needless to say after 2 hours of searching it
is nowhere to be found...... I give up. It only dropped 3 feet onto
the gravel but I just cannot find it! so......
urgent request! Does anyone know what the correct size and material a
new one will be? I assume it is some exotic type of bronze and has a
thread only used in a select few regions of darkest
Scandinavia........ I am near to tears........

I thought it was 1 nil to me at first but the it looks like the
Swedish Goblin scored a couple of goals in extra time.. drat! Apart
from that everything works fine!

Front Admiral John

ps - just searching the bin for my application to join the monastery!
 
Oct 30, 2019
80
My wife can find anything, even the catsup in the refrigerator. Cost: $200.00 American dollars per hour plus airfare
and expenses.

Frank DeBaggis
 
Oct 30, 2019
574
Hi John - I realize you probably didn't mean it this way, but I couldn't help but laugh reading all these posts! Having once disassembled and reassembled the combi to replace the shaft drip seal, I experienced much of the same frustration that you experienced: dropped parts in the bilge (that was when I had the tank in the bilge), trouble reseating the nut and two clamp rings (I also considered using only one), having to pull it all apart once the control tube didn't line up, and applying fulsome blows (an underrated term if ever one existed) to get everything seated. All this and remains a small seal leak that occurs when I run the engine.

That was all more than 4 years ago. The seal leak remains (along with some oil rags to sop it up) and I have no intention of ever fixing it. The motor will be replaced before those seals ever will.

Thanks for the entertaining and frustrating story. I'll be having flashbacks for some time to come.

Jack
Bella - V2620
 
Feb 12, 2008
337
This Story makes me want to send the previous owner of my boat a large bottle of single malt by way of thanks for ditching the combi for a Beta!
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To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 1:11 PM
Subject: [AlbinVega] Combi refurb - sense of humour failure!



Well, I have had enough - what a day! I loath, detest and hate my combi..... if the bloody boat was insured I would have set fire to it!

If you don't have a combi (you lucky man) please do not bother reading this - it is boring! If you do.... and the rear oil seal leaks a bit - just leave it well alone!!!!
When my back has recovered from 10 hours of being bent double in the cockpit, wresting with the cursed thing, I shall try and put together a blow by blow photographic account of my experiences. Briefly....

Taking it apart was easy - pretty much as per the instructions.... bought all the new seals and bearings and fitted them all... so far so good.
With son helping, - we slid the shaft through the new stern bearing, through the stern gland thing (all new seals and white metal bushes) and it got a bit tight so I told my son to push a bit harder (which he did!) and it locked solid! Oh gloom.... never mind, just pull it out again. It would not budge and after much tugging the only answer was to cut open and remove the hose so that we had something solid to pull against and then it came back out. (the hose acted as a shock absorber and stopped us from freeing it off)

Anyway, after a bit of investigation, it seemed that the new white metal bearings were binding. I tried the old ones and they were still a tight fit but slid on and off ok... so what to do? I decided to re-fit the original ones - they were not worn. So... slid it in (with a new piece of hose) and this time success..

Now the fun begins... I followed the combi instructions very carefully and got as far as fitting the nut at the front of the combi - the one that tightens the front clamp rings.. well I tried for hours to get the thread to start but no joy!!!! In - out - shake the damn thing all about - I took it out more times than I can remember and checked everything a zillion times.. still no joy...
.......after a great deal of head scratching and studying I noticed that on the exploded diagram it shows one clamp ring - but I took out two! I began to doubt my sanity and took everything apart again and checked that I had put everything back as it should be - yes I had an extra clamp ring! I took it apart yet again and removed the extra clamp ring and the nut screwed in easily - phew!
I was now getting worried - why did I take out two clamp rings (the rings are in pairs which fit inside each other) when the exploded diagram shows just one? It must have been done for a reason but no matter how I tried the nut would not start in its thread with two clamp ring units in situ!

So... sod it - lets get it back together with one clamp ring. I tightened up the nut and then tried to slide the geared shaft in (the actuator for altering the prop pitch).. surprise surprise it would not fit.. after more head scratching I discovered that the control tube had not been inserted quite far enough into the sleeve thing and therefore the gears would not mesh properly. Yes you have guessed it - out it all came again! At this stage I was suicidal.

Anyway, I took it all apart and discovered that the clamp rings inside the combi (another set of clamp rings!) had jammed up and prevented the shaft from sliding in properly and had not effectively "clamped" the the shaft to the slider.... so..... after another load of buggering about I discovered that the only way to successfully get the clamp rings to engage is to slide them onto the shaft first and then push the shaft home (I used a felt pen to mark the correct depth of insertion this time!!).... so ... that technique worked and I decided to tighten it all up and try a "dry run" without bothering with the key and front clamp rings... all was well, so out it came again - this time the key was fitted along with the single clamp ring and in it all went. Allah be praised. it all seemed to work as advertised.... I have probably caused about 5 years wear and tear on all the new seals considering the number of times it has gone in and out!

Never again!.......... I do not consider myself inexperienced when it comes to mechanical stuff... I have worked on engines and gearboxes since I was a kid - from tractors and diggers to a Porsche 911 so I know my way around a toolbox but this nearly had me reaching for the razor blades.... Jesus I hope it starts and runs ok tomorrow...

Suffice to say that I am now intimately familiar with the combi unit but never want to see the inside of one ever again!

off to "down" a bottle of wine and sleep for a week..

Luv

John

ps - if someone tells me it really should have 2 clamp rings at the front I shall join the local monastery and devote my life to quiet contemplation.

pps I am now convinced that the prop and its shaft will part company with the engine at a most inconvenient time and cause me to demolish some exotic marina and sink half a dozen nearby yachts.. I feel an outboard coming on....
 
Oct 30, 2011
221
.........the continuing saga!
For a bit of light relief, I decided that, while the whole boat was
full of grease and oily rags, I would give it a service...
Oil pump in hand and after much sucking and gurgling I got most
(some?) of the old oil out and now time to remove the oil filter
before it was time for a brew....

Hmmmm... now were is the damn thing? I guess the designers at Volvo
will have thought it through carefully and made provision for easy
access to ensure regular changes. hmmmm... must be accessible from
the inside... can't seem to locate it... surely it is not behind the
medieval starter/dynamo thingy? Oh yes it bloody well is! Thankyou
Mr Volvo for putting an oil filter as far away as possible from any
access point! Bless him...

Anyway, I may be able to reach it from the cockpit with my left hand..
ah yes.. of course I am not strong enough with my left hand to
unscrew it so more head scratching. Lets try one of my vast array of
oil filter wrench straps (can't get them in the space), what about my
chain strap? (get it on but unable to turn it due to lack of space) -
Gordon Bennet I don't believe this!

Nothing for it but to remove the starter - bashed knuckles and grazed
hands ensued until it was released form captivation.... ah - there it
is! Chain strap attached and ...... Jesus it is tight! It must have
been put on by a left handed Swedish Gorilla - it was unbelievably
tight. I was amused to read the instructions on the side "tighten by
hand, start engine and check for leaks" no doubt it WILL leak so get a
wrench on it and tighten up until you feel a hernia coming on! New
one went on fine and whilst admiring my handywork I noticed something
funny (strange that is - nothing has been funny "ha ha" so far). The
alternator pulley and the big crankshaft pulley/flywheel were miles
out of alignment.. I mean miles! Now I know why I found a box full
of spare fan belts!!! They must have lasted about an hour before
needing to be changed! Oh gloom what a day...

It was obviously a later addition to the engine and I removed the
alternator and discovered that a spacer had been put on the wrong side
of the pulley.. eventually found my old puller (last used in the
70's) and off came the pulley and said spacer placed on the inside of
the pulley - refitted and ah.. luvly! Needless to say it all took
an eternity to do.

Wife has left me and I never noticed - kids avoid me in case I ask
them to push and pull the prop in and out, new iPhone is scratched,
covered in grease and gasket goo, overalls stand up on their own in
the corner of the bedroom and the dog bit me. Other than that
everything is fine.

Hang on - forgot... can someone please please please tell me what
type of little bolt/machine screw fits into the prop boss when the
grease nipple is taken out... ? I have lost it! I need to know if it
is bronze and the size and thread... I can see me looking at a
completely finished yacht in a year or two but unable to launch it due
to a lack of one poxy machine screw!

Yours truly

Cabin boy John

xxx
 
Oct 19, 2019
921
Albin Vega 27 Limerick
For what it is worth: I change oil filter on my MD6A yearly.
My current drill is to
Drain sump through dip stick hole with vacuum pump.
Open cockpit sole.
Then remove air filter to allow access to oil filter.
Some newspaper under filter to catch drips.
Filter wrench bought for 10€ from truck supplies shop easily unscrewed filter.

No need to remove starter motor.

John V1447 Breakaway

John Kinsella
Mathematics and Statistics Dept
University of Limerick

Phone 0035361202148
Web jkcray.maths.ul.ie
 
Oct 19, 2019
921
Albin Vega 27 Limerick
Hi John. I'm not near boat now but it's a metal strap with bumps punched almost through.
The strap is about an inch wide and is hand tightened by a large knurled knob at end of shaft.
Very good design IMO.

I'll phone the truck supplier tomorrow and get product name.

Will email Monday afternoon.

John

John Kinsella
Mathematics and Statistics Dept
University of Limerick

Phone 0035361202148
Web jkcray.maths.ul.ie
 
Oct 19, 2019
921
Albin Vega 27 Limerick
John
had a quick look online & this is it:

Here is a UK link for what looks like an identical tool.

They come in two sizes, the larger is for trucks, you want the smaller..

Good luck,
John
 
Oct 30, 2011
221
Nice one John - its ordered! Thankyou again..
don't suppose you know the size of the little machine screw in the
prop boss by any chance?