Guys, Would you please comment on the general size used for code zero sails and approximate sailing angles they can practically be used for? Also comment on weight of fabric typically used and approximate cost of code zero furler. For UV protection, are they used with a sock or with a sun-resistant patch along the leech? Practical comparisons bewteen code zero versus asymmetric spinnaker? Many thanks. Chris Webb Boca Grande, Fl.
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Go, Reacher!
You guys sound like you're trying to describe a reacher that's not hanked on. When I first bought my old Newporter 40 and inventoried my sail locker, I found one sailbag marked "REACHER". On opening, I found a lightweight (1.5) oz. sail, designed to be hanked on the forestay and having an overall size equal to 170%. It has proved to be a great downwind sail, and in light winds can even be used on a close reach! Also the luff has a cable running through it, so I often use it in the unhanked mode.
You guys sound like you're trying to describe a reacher that's not hanked on. When I first bought my old Newporter 40 and inventoried my sail locker, I found one sailbag marked "REACHER". On opening, I found a lightweight (1.5) oz. sail, designed to be hanked on the forestay and having an overall size equal to 170%. It has proved to be a great downwind sail, and in light winds can even be used on a close reach! Also the luff has a cable running through it, so I often use it in the unhanked mode.
UPS
The Doyle UPS, and the Code Alpha use a hi-tech zero stretch line in the luff, it is as strong as wire, but much better in this application. Wire can kink, strands can develop fish hooks, and possibly rust, and wire must be coiled. Unlike the old Style Reachers, the UPS has positive roach. This eliptical shape develops more power in lighter air than a conventional Genoa design, and more area for off wind sailing. As far as racing with these sails, that will be up to individual PHRF and Club decisions. The UPS is neither a Genoa or a Spinnaker by girth definitions. The true Code Alpha just fits into a spinnaker girth restrictions, it is a special application spinnaker, but is less stable for the cruising application. The UPS, while developed from the Code Alpha, has a reduced roach profile in order to fly in a wider range of wind angles.
The Doyle UPS, and the Code Alpha use a hi-tech zero stretch line in the luff, it is as strong as wire, but much better in this application. Wire can kink, strands can develop fish hooks, and possibly rust, and wire must be coiled. Unlike the old Style Reachers, the UPS has positive roach. This eliptical shape develops more power in lighter air than a conventional Genoa design, and more area for off wind sailing. As far as racing with these sails, that will be up to individual PHRF and Club decisions. The UPS is neither a Genoa or a Spinnaker by girth definitions. The true Code Alpha just fits into a spinnaker girth restrictions, it is a special application spinnaker, but is less stable for the cruising application. The UPS, while developed from the Code Alpha, has a reduced roach profile in order to fly in a wider range of wind angles.
UPS questions
Thanks for the answers, Tim! It's great to have you on board in this forum! BTW, ordered my UPS this morning (Doyle Marblehead)
Thanks for the answers, Tim! It's great to have you on board in this forum! BTW, ordered my UPS this morning (Doyle Marblehead)
Tim, Could you tell me what you think this sail
would fall into. It looks smaller and not as full as the Doyle APC , but it seems to have a bit fuller luff and roach than the UPS. It doesn't have a wire/rope in the luff and its flown like a Asym. cruising chute I guess. What category would you put this? What effective wind range (in degrees) do you think it would work best in? I would really like your opinion. I don't know, because I have seen and owned so much fuller Asym Cruising spinakers? Is it closer to the "code Alpha" range ? (sorry I have to try and post the picture come back soon)
would fall into. It looks smaller and not as full as the Doyle APC , but it seems to have a bit fuller luff and roach than the UPS. It doesn't have a wire/rope in the luff and its flown like a Asym. cruising chute I guess. What category would you put this? What effective wind range (in degrees) do you think it would work best in? I would really like your opinion. I don't know, because I have seen and owned so much fuller Asym Cruising spinakers? Is it closer to the "code Alpha" range ? (sorry I have to try and post the picture come back soon)
UPS
Hi Tom, thanks for joining the Doyle Sails Forum. Just to try an clear thing up. The UPS is the Cruisng version of the Doyle Code Alpha(Code 0). It is smaller than the Doyle APC cruising Spinnaker, but larger than a 155% Genoa. It is flatter than the APC and has a straight luff, more like a Genoa. The straight luff with the Integral luff line allows the sail to be used with an independent free-luff furler.
Hi Tom, thanks for joining the Doyle Sails Forum. Just to try an clear thing up. The UPS is the Cruisng version of the Doyle Code Alpha(Code 0). It is smaller than the Doyle APC cruising Spinnaker, but larger than a 155% Genoa. It is flatter than the APC and has a straight luff, more like a Genoa. The straight luff with the Integral luff line allows the sail to be used with an independent free-luff furler.
Confused but attentive
Whoa! Just when I THOUGHT I knew something. I have a H306 and thought I wanted an Asymmetrical but I wonder now, reading here. Tell me what you think would be best. Here's my situation. I want more sail for sailing offwind, but not a poled spinnaker. Our winds run 10-15kts most days and 15-20kts some days. I sail shorthanded so I wide range sail would be easier to deal with, I guess. Mostly coastal day sailing, but nearly weekly. What sail, what weight? Help!
Whoa! Just when I THOUGHT I knew something. I have a H306 and thought I wanted an Asymmetrical but I wonder now, reading here. Tell me what you think would be best. Here's my situation. I want more sail for sailing offwind, but not a poled spinnaker. Our winds run 10-15kts most days and 15-20kts some days. I sail shorthanded so I wide range sail would be easier to deal with, I guess. Mostly coastal day sailing, but nearly weekly. What sail, what weight? Help!
What Sail?
Hi Mike, Welcome to the Doyle Forum. If you want the sail for primarily off the wind, in the breezes you describe, then the APC is probably the choice. If you sail usually in 10kts or more, you may want to consider a 1.5 oz Nylon, it is only slightly heavier than a .75oz sail when you consider the corner patches and the ATN sleeve. 1.5oz will also be a bit more forgiving of any mistakes when sailing shorthanded. It is designed to be used without a pole, check it out here on this site, in the chandlery under cruising spinnakers.
Hi Mike, Welcome to the Doyle Forum. If you want the sail for primarily off the wind, in the breezes you describe, then the APC is probably the choice. If you sail usually in 10kts or more, you may want to consider a 1.5 oz Nylon, it is only slightly heavier than a .75oz sail when you consider the corner patches and the ATN sleeve. 1.5oz will also be a bit more forgiving of any mistakes when sailing shorthanded. It is designed to be used without a pole, check it out here on this site, in the chandlery under cruising spinnakers.
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