I am looking at a 1975 Oday 25. It needs work and I have been asking you Oday owners about it recently. I have some pictures and want to know what you all think. First some more questions: Are the decks on a 75 O25 solid glass or in there a core? What is the best replacement for the vynal liner? It appears that the pennant is missing for the centerboard how best to replace? The bulkheads seem solid and I think that it need mostly clean up. Any other advise from you O25 owners? Thanks and Merry Christmas Art
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Specifically, I don't think the liner is an issue. I have been thinking about ripping mine out and replacing it with something else, maybe marine carpet (Home Depot Grey). I did this in my bass boat several years ago and it was an easy project, and might deaden the sound a bit. Decks on a 25 are balsa cored, check for any cracks or deformation around the mast step and chain plates. I replaced the port bulkhead on my 25 last spring - it was a big job but not beyond the ability of most handy folks. A new centerboard can be ordered from Rudy at D&R Marine, along with the mounting hardware. I currently have mine out in the back of my jeep for repainting, so if you wanted to make one I could send you a template. If you check the archives I posted some pictures on how to remove it. The bulkhead on my boat rotted at the bottom, so hit it with a screwdriver down low, particulatly in the hanging locker and under the board below the head vanity - if it goes through you have rot. Also check for window leaks, as this seems to be common. If you're concerned, a good marine survey should pick up any major faults, although they do miss things. Get references before you pay $$ for a survey. Good luck.
Specifically, I don't think the liner is an issue. I have been thinking about ripping mine out and replacing it with something else, maybe marine carpet (Home Depot Grey). I did this in my bass boat several years ago and it was an easy project, and might deaden the sound a bit. Decks on a 25 are balsa cored, check for any cracks or deformation around the mast step and chain plates. I replaced the port bulkhead on my 25 last spring - it was a big job but not beyond the ability of most handy folks. A new centerboard can be ordered from Rudy at D&R Marine, along with the mounting hardware. I currently have mine out in the back of my jeep for repainting, so if you wanted to make one I could send you a template. If you check the archives I posted some pictures on how to remove it. The bulkhead on my boat rotted at the bottom, so hit it with a screwdriver down low, particulatly in the hanging locker and under the board below the head vanity - if it goes through you have rot. Also check for window leaks, as this seems to be common. If you're concerned, a good marine survey should pick up any major faults, although they do miss things. Get references before you pay $$ for a survey. Good luck.
Thanks
That is good advise. I think that he boat is sound but do not want to spend a fortune to get it up and sailing! I am handy and can clean. I am lookingo move up from a Catalina 22 and just don't know much about Odays. They seem like great boats. How are they on Resale value. I have seen lots of different things online? By the way I have seen guys line the sides with toung and groove thin bead board. Looks cool! Art
That is good advise. I think that he boat is sound but do not want to spend a fortune to get it up and sailing! I am handy and can clean. I am lookingo move up from a Catalina 22 and just don't know much about Odays. They seem like great boats. How are they on Resale value. I have seen lots of different things online? By the way I have seen guys line the sides with toung and groove thin bead board. Looks cool! Art
A agree with muised!
Good sound advice. You can look over the boat and make a list of repairs and changes then put a price on it. I bought a "79" O'day 25 for just over $3000 with a trailer three seasons ago. I put $5000 into the boat before it touched the water. The labor was all mine. I add and adjust many things every winter to make things work better for my wife and I in the summer. I have already put another $600 into the boat this winter. (had the trailer brakes reworked for $1000 in November). The money can really fly out of hand ..... and these are small boats! However, I know I will never get out of my boat what I have put into it. It is serving my wife and I wonderfully! Our boat facilitates our summers together. r.w.landau
Good sound advice. You can look over the boat and make a list of repairs and changes then put a price on it. I bought a "79" O'day 25 for just over $3000 with a trailer three seasons ago. I put $5000 into the boat before it touched the water. The labor was all mine. I add and adjust many things every winter to make things work better for my wife and I in the summer. I have already put another $600 into the boat this winter. (had the trailer brakes reworked for $1000 in November). The money can really fly out of hand ..... and these are small boats! However, I know I will never get out of my boat what I have put into it. It is serving my wife and I wonderfully! Our boat facilitates our summers together. r.w.landau
75 O'Day 25
Art, Is the winch for the centerboard pendant line mounted on the table stanchion in the cabin? If so, the original pendant line was a wire cable, but I'm pretty sure that Rudy said that it can be replaced with braid line. You would need to check with him on that. He can set you up with the line and special shackle to go on the winch. The bulkhead looks okay from looking at the picture, as long as it's glass in. If not, you may have to do what I did to my O'Day 222 when I installed O'Day 25 Chainplates to my bulkhead. I beefed up the front side of my bulkhead with oak boards and bolted them to the settees. Even after doing that, I had water leaks coming in from the chainplates. So I had plates welded to each chainplate and used four nuts bolts to each chainplate with backup plates for reinforcement. This cured the problem. My bulkhead was removable. According to Rudy; some of the bulkheads in the O'Day boats weren't glassed in, and this can be a problem with chainplates attached to it. He told me to get it as solid as I could get it so that leaks wouldn't occur. Is there a trailer with this boat? If not, you're going to have to get at the centerboard somehow, either by using a lift or jacking the boat up on the stands like I did, which involves shoring up the stern and bow section to get at the keel. A roller trailer would make this process easier, but both processes can be dangerous. The safest way is to have it lifted at the boatyard, but this poses a question of what condition the centerboard is in. Is the hole in the centerboard where the pendant line attaches, in tact? Is there any damage to the centerboard? You won't know this until you're able to get it down and look at it. This is something that you may want to take up with the owner before you seal the deal. A friend of mine found out that his centerboard had a piece broken on the trailing edge and I'm confident that he can reconstruct the damaged area, himself. He took his board completely off, and has it drying out next to his boiler down his cellar. Outside of that, I sailed a 75 O'Day 25 and it sailed great. They are a great boat. We have one O'Day 26 KC and two O'Day 25 KCs in our yacht club and the owners love them. Good luck, Art!
Art, Is the winch for the centerboard pendant line mounted on the table stanchion in the cabin? If so, the original pendant line was a wire cable, but I'm pretty sure that Rudy said that it can be replaced with braid line. You would need to check with him on that. He can set you up with the line and special shackle to go on the winch. The bulkhead looks okay from looking at the picture, as long as it's glass in. If not, you may have to do what I did to my O'Day 222 when I installed O'Day 25 Chainplates to my bulkhead. I beefed up the front side of my bulkhead with oak boards and bolted them to the settees. Even after doing that, I had water leaks coming in from the chainplates. So I had plates welded to each chainplate and used four nuts bolts to each chainplate with backup plates for reinforcement. This cured the problem. My bulkhead was removable. According to Rudy; some of the bulkheads in the O'Day boats weren't glassed in, and this can be a problem with chainplates attached to it. He told me to get it as solid as I could get it so that leaks wouldn't occur. Is there a trailer with this boat? If not, you're going to have to get at the centerboard somehow, either by using a lift or jacking the boat up on the stands like I did, which involves shoring up the stern and bow section to get at the keel. A roller trailer would make this process easier, but both processes can be dangerous. The safest way is to have it lifted at the boatyard, but this poses a question of what condition the centerboard is in. Is the hole in the centerboard where the pendant line attaches, in tact? Is there any damage to the centerboard? You won't know this until you're able to get it down and look at it. This is something that you may want to take up with the owner before you seal the deal. A friend of mine found out that his centerboard had a piece broken on the trailing edge and I'm confident that he can reconstruct the damaged area, himself. He took his board completely off, and has it drying out next to his boiler down his cellar. Outside of that, I sailed a 75 O'Day 25 and it sailed great. They are a great boat. We have one O'Day 26 KC and two O'Day 25 KCs in our yacht club and the owners love them. Good luck, Art!
O'Day 25
I don't know how objective I can be, but I think the O'Day 25 is a fine boat. I just looked at a Paceship 29 which did not have as much usable room inside. It really depends what you want to use the boat for, but for cruising with the family it works well. SWMBO likes the high freeboard and overall comfort and space below for a small boat. Resale really depends on your local market. Where I live O'Days are rare, so resale (and purchase price) is low. If resale is your primary motivation, but a Catalina, C&C, or other sought after production boat. I have no hesitation recommending the O'Day 25 for cruising and general fun on the water. I also live on the Atlantic Coast and have had the boat in unprotected waters with good results (I did not die).
I don't know how objective I can be, but I think the O'Day 25 is a fine boat. I just looked at a Paceship 29 which did not have as much usable room inside. It really depends what you want to use the boat for, but for cruising with the family it works well. SWMBO likes the high freeboard and overall comfort and space below for a small boat. Resale really depends on your local market. Where I live O'Days are rare, so resale (and purchase price) is low. If resale is your primary motivation, but a Catalina, C&C, or other sought after production boat. I have no hesitation recommending the O'Day 25 for cruising and general fun on the water. I also live on the Atlantic Coast and have had the boat in unprotected waters with good results (I did not die).
Ed, I don't know where you came from ...
Where ever it is, go back. You are pretty ignorant. r.w.landau
Where ever it is, go back. You are pretty ignorant. r.w.landau
OT answer to r.w.
Sorry for cluttering up the thread. r.w.; You can give any answer you want to a question I ask. My reaction to your opinion is my responsibility. The form of delivery is your choice. I might wade through the verbiage to get to the meaning or I might just blow it off. I usually scan for key words that I'm expecting. Unless the sentence structure is unusual, I rarely read most posts word for word. Apparently you read my post. Maybe you are a person who reads everything carefully, or maybe something caught your eye and you looked closer? I write for the way I read. I read columnist every day and the ones that get my attention are the sarcastic snarky types with a variation of sentence structure and rhythm. There are enough posts to the effect of "it's been a great boat for me, I'd buy one again, you'll enjoy it and have fun". Blah. I want mine to stand out. Say something like "HEY!! WHAT ARE YOU DOING?? ARE YOU KIDDING YOURSELF?? BOATS=MONEY AND YOU DON'T GOT NONE!! FEED THE KIDS FIRST, GO BOATING LATER!! You and I'm guessing others find that offensive. My bad. I'll have to work on that.
Sorry for cluttering up the thread. r.w.; You can give any answer you want to a question I ask. My reaction to your opinion is my responsibility. The form of delivery is your choice. I might wade through the verbiage to get to the meaning or I might just blow it off. I usually scan for key words that I'm expecting. Unless the sentence structure is unusual, I rarely read most posts word for word. Apparently you read my post. Maybe you are a person who reads everything carefully, or maybe something caught your eye and you looked closer? I write for the way I read. I read columnist every day and the ones that get my attention are the sarcastic snarky types with a variation of sentence structure and rhythm. There are enough posts to the effect of "it's been a great boat for me, I'd buy one again, you'll enjoy it and have fun". Blah. I want mine to stand out. Say something like "HEY!! WHAT ARE YOU DOING?? ARE YOU KIDDING YOURSELF?? BOATS=MONEY AND YOU DON'T GOT NONE!! FEED THE KIDS FIRST, GO BOATING LATER!! You and I'm guessing others find that offensive. My bad. I'll have to work on that.
Back on track
Art ,you will find a number of Odays of all years and sizes had this type of burlap applied.Our's was the same way when we got it.I peeled it of and scrubbed the old adhesive off.I was surprised that it came off as easy as it did. I took our shop vac down and set it in the cockpit and ran just the suction hose down into the cabin.I was done in about an hour. We picked out a light blueish grey outdoor carpet. The differance it made was unbelieveable.Part of the reason we got our boat for the price we did was that the sagging burlap fabric made the whole inside look shabby. Our bulkheads had been replaced also.We have had our boat for about a year and a half.It handles Lake Michigan very well. I can step the mast by myself even when the boat is on the water.We'll be keeping this one awhile.
Art ,you will find a number of Odays of all years and sizes had this type of burlap applied.Our's was the same way when we got it.I peeled it of and scrubbed the old adhesive off.I was surprised that it came off as easy as it did. I took our shop vac down and set it in the cockpit and ran just the suction hose down into the cabin.I was done in about an hour. We picked out a light blueish grey outdoor carpet. The differance it made was unbelieveable.Part of the reason we got our boat for the price we did was that the sagging burlap fabric made the whole inside look shabby. Our bulkheads had been replaced also.We have had our boat for about a year and a half.It handles Lake Michigan very well. I can step the mast by myself even when the boat is on the water.We'll be keeping this one awhile.
Give me a call and I'll give you my thoughts
Give me a call at (304) 727-5326. I'd be glad to give you my advice, as limited as it is. I'm getting afraid to post my thoughts in this thread. I don't want to start a verbal war like others have.
Give me a call at (304) 727-5326. I'd be glad to give you my advice, as limited as it is. I'm getting afraid to post my thoughts in this thread. I don't want to start a verbal war like others have.
How much free time do you have?
I know there has already been some discussion about what it might cost to buy this boat and make it usable for your family. I making the assumption that since you already have a Catalina 22 of comparable value that you might ultimately sell, the money will probably not be your biggest hardship. As a working stiff, my problem with a project like that would be the amount of time it takes to do the clean up and repair. With only so much free time available for sailing, every hour spent on maintenance and repair comes from time that might otherwise be spent with the family on the water. Maybe you have to be past mid-life crisis and looking at your children as adults to feel this way, but time is far more precious than money. Since the very, very best O'day 25/26 on the market is going to cost less than $10K with a roadworthy trailer and a known-good outboard, it's really not all that much more than this project is likely to add up to. I'd be inclined to go for the "pristine boat" end of the market and be generating good memories sooner rather than later.
I know there has already been some discussion about what it might cost to buy this boat and make it usable for your family. I making the assumption that since you already have a Catalina 22 of comparable value that you might ultimately sell, the money will probably not be your biggest hardship. As a working stiff, my problem with a project like that would be the amount of time it takes to do the clean up and repair. With only so much free time available for sailing, every hour spent on maintenance and repair comes from time that might otherwise be spent with the family on the water. Maybe you have to be past mid-life crisis and looking at your children as adults to feel this way, but time is far more precious than money. Since the very, very best O'day 25/26 on the market is going to cost less than $10K with a roadworthy trailer and a known-good outboard, it's really not all that much more than this project is likely to add up to. I'd be inclined to go for the "pristine boat" end of the market and be generating good memories sooner rather than later.
off the trailer...
Art, Unless I missed the post, no one answered you on ideas to get the boat off the trailer in your yard.... First, as mentioned earlier, this is dangerous, and you should get the centerboard out using a lift at the boatyard. If you decide to go further, you should have at least 4 poppets with chain, and plenty of blocks. 8" by 8" or larger, for the keel to rest on. Second,... I would not try this myself. But if you must, built fore and aft jackable cross beams with cradle's...ahhh never mind. You might as well hire a trailer designed to lift the boat with jacks, and install the poppets and block the keel, hire them again when you are ready to transport back to the boatyard. This is what they do. Eric
Art, Unless I missed the post, no one answered you on ideas to get the boat off the trailer in your yard.... First, as mentioned earlier, this is dangerous, and you should get the centerboard out using a lift at the boatyard. If you decide to go further, you should have at least 4 poppets with chain, and plenty of blocks. 8" by 8" or larger, for the keel to rest on. Second,... I would not try this myself. But if you must, built fore and aft jackable cross beams with cradle's...ahhh never mind. You might as well hire a trailer designed to lift the boat with jacks, and install the poppets and block the keel, hire them again when you are ready to transport back to the boatyard. This is what they do. Eric
Art, sounds like you like the boat.
If you want to be cautious, consider the resale value. You may only be able to sell it for what you bought it for. It is like cars.... Don't matter what you did to it,it is still only worth this much. It could be that you could find a newer boat in better condition for minimally more money with a greater resale value. Or you could press this issue with the owner you are working with now. just some thoughts. r.w.landau
If you want to be cautious, consider the resale value. You may only be able to sell it for what you bought it for. It is like cars.... Don't matter what you did to it,it is still only worth this much. It could be that you could find a newer boat in better condition for minimally more money with a greater resale value. Or you could press this issue with the owner you are working with now. just some thoughts. r.w.landau
getting the boat off the trailer
Art, I've been taking my 222 off my trailer for years. Granted, the 25 is a larger boat, and it can be very dangerous regardless of size, but it's not impossible with four sailboat stands, some 8 by 8s, and jacks. It can be done. Email me, and I'll send you some pictures. Then you can decide whether you want to tackle it. SailTrinkka1986@verizon.net
Art, I've been taking my 222 off my trailer for years. Granted, the 25 is a larger boat, and it can be very dangerous regardless of size, but it's not impossible with four sailboat stands, some 8 by 8s, and jacks. It can be done. Email me, and I'll send you some pictures. Then you can decide whether you want to tackle it. SailTrinkka1986@verizon.net
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