"Carbon Neutral" Sailing...

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Nov 6, 2006
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Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
Noble concept but I wonder about the execution of this one.. Quick thumbnail numbers (rough guesstimates) on this : "less than 50 KWH per day" usage is 173 amperes at 12 Volts average every hour of the day day ! To accomplish about half of this load with solar (assuming the other half by regeneration and wind) is going to take about 925 square feet of solar cell area.. the boat is 132 feet long, so that means a solar cell 7 feet wide over the entire length of the boat or 14 feet wide over half of the total length! and that is for HALF of the stated consumption.. I think someone is kind of pipe dreaming, or someone is reporting strange numbers??
 
Apr 8, 2010
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Frers 33 41426 Westport, CT
I think they are using dock side solar to power their shore power system, I don't think they have a fully self sustaining system onboard the ship.
 
Jun 6, 2006
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currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
TOTAL pipe dream!!!!
I'm thinking that since using the sails was not sufficiently "green" and "carbon friendly" that employing a copper smelter (lots and lots of amps from dirty hydrocarbon power plants) for the motor wire, a electric arch furnace to refine the steel in the motor (more dirty electrical amps) and those nasty lead acid batteries would make this not so green "pipe dream" a non starter.
I suspect the dems (not sure it is "..ocrats" or just their mental state) are behind this as it is clearly ill conceived as a "green alternative"
 
Apr 8, 2010
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Frers 33 41426 Westport, CT
TOTAL pipe dream!!!!
I'm thinking that since using the sails was not sufficiently "green" and "carbon friendly" that employing a copper smelter (lots and lots of amps from dirty hydrocarbon power plants) for the motor wire, a electric arch furnace to refine the steel in the motor (more dirty electrical amps) and those nasty lead acid batteries would make this not so green "pipe dream" a non starter.
FWIW, they never said it was anything but carbon neutral in it's daily operation, not since inception, construction or commissioning...
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
The only way to get carbon neutral would be with a wooden hull built entirely with hand tools, fastened with trunnels and lashing and rigged with natural fiber lines and sails.
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,183
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
Gimmick. Worse, they are conning the kids.
 
May 11, 2005
3,431
Seidelman S37 Slidell, La.
I'm with Ross

Carbon neutral is just wishful thinking by the tree huggers. With 700 watts of wind and solar, I can be pretty carbon neutral, while anchored out, just as long as the sun and wing co-operate.
 
Nov 26, 2008
1,970
Endeavour 42 Cruisin
There's so much of this garbage floating around. And the sheep line up and buy into this by the millions. Critical thinking is almost dead.
 
Oct 17, 2011
2,809
Ericson 29 Southport..
I love that last post. I do.

Hey All You Get, I've got your boat picture mounted on one of my walls. The wife redecorated, (exactly one week after the last decorator was fired and a lot of money was demolitioned), and she likes my pictures better than what she could buy. Brain damage, and a lack of taste aside, (my photo's, not your boat); there you are.
Sorry for the sidetrack..
 

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kenn

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Apr 18, 2009
1,271
CL Sandpiper 565 Toronto
There's so much of this garbage floating around. And the sheep line up and buy into this by the millions. Critical thinking is almost dead.
And what part of your hyped knee-jerk denial contains the critical thinking you claim is almost dead?

(the countdown to thread implosion is on... )
 
Feb 21, 2008
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Hunter 33 Metedeconk River
Reminds me of when looking for a mink coat for the wife, we had to find one that was made of skins of mink's that committed suicide in the wild.
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
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Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
The only way to get carbon neutral would be with a wooden hull built entirely with hand tools, fastened with trunnels and lashing and rigged with natural fiber lines and sails.
Try finding wood that doesnt contain 'carbon'.
 
Jan 4, 2010
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Farr 30 San Francisco
Rich, I think wood is considered carbon neutral. It isn't a "fossil fuel". Until this ship burns the carbon it contains is out of the atmosphere. Best case it sinks and sequesters its carbon at the bottom of the ocean.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
But it actively trapped and sequestered carbon during its growth and did not release it when shaped into a boat. Now if you burn the waste to make steam to enable the bending of planks and ribs you are again adding carbon to the atmosphere.
 
Nov 18, 2010
2,441
Catalina 310 Hingham, MA
Rich, I think wood is considered carbon neutral. It isn't a "fossil fuel". Until this ship burns the carbon it contains is out of the atmosphere. Best case it sinks and sequesters its carbon at the bottom of the ocean.
Anyone who considers wood to be carbon neutral just isn't paying attention. You have to burn "fossil fuels" in one form or another to cut, transport, plane and finish, transport again, store, sell, transport again and finally fit for the boat. They you have to account for the fact that the living tree before it was chopped down was a carbon sink with a net carbon loss for the atmosphere, so all the carbon it would have absorbed for the rest of it's days needs to be added in. Bottom line, a used (i.e. already built) fiberglass boat is far more environmentally friendly than a new one made out of wood (or steel, aluminum or fiberglass for that matter). (Of course all of this only matters if you believe that carbon dioxide is responsible for global climate change. A line of thinking that isn't supported by science.)

Also, organic matter (i.e. wood) that is "sequestered" at the bottom of the ocean becomes oil.

That being said, I think electric motors are the more sustainable approach to engines and boats are a prime place for them to develop first. Once the technology has developed to the point that you have efficient enough electrical engines, better batteries (perhaps the new lithium based ones) and efficient solar panels, wind turbines and water turbines, a boat could very easily become self sufficient in this regard. I suspect in another 20 years gas and diesel engines will be a thing of the past for boats.
 
Sep 5, 2007
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MacGregor 26X Rochester
One problem with electric propulsion as far as higher motor efficiency goes is that motor efficiency is already at around 95% for motors as small as 30 hp (high-efficiency induction motors), and even higher as the hp rating goes up. Just not a lot of room for improvement there.

Solar panels, too, in that there is only so much energy per unit area, depending on geography, calendar, weather, etc., and while improvements will be made over time, there is a practical limit to how much energy can be wrung out of the sky (per unit area) over a given period of time.
 
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