Can my sailboat handle the ocean?

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Jan 5, 2013
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I am new to this forum, so a big 'hello' to all the other sailors who are passionate about enjoying life with sailing!

I have a 1986 30' Aloha sloop rig, keel sailboat. I have had her for 7 years now, and have been sailing my entire life. We are in a very landlocked location in central Canada. And I am dreaming of sailing in the Caribbean with my wife. One option we are entertaining is to buy a bigger, stronger boat, more suited for spending a month or more at a time on. But then I have to ask 'how would my little 30' aloha be able to handle it?'

If anyone would be able to give me some advice on the seaworthiness of my little racing/cruising boat, I would appreciate it. I guess my biggest worry is the size of the main cabin windows. They are very large. I would be nervous about them failing with any serious water pressure against them.

Thank you for your time.

Paul on X-Sail
 
May 21, 2009
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Hunter 30 Smithfield, VA
Disclaimer: I'm not an open water sailor, hence no expert. I think you answered your own question with you comment about the windows. Sailing not far offshore would be fine, but any serious open ocean crossing would be cause for concern. Your boat is relatively light as well, displacement wise. Probably a fine racer. You should look toward a heavier cruiser IMHO.
 
May 4, 2005
4,062
Macgregor 26d Ft Lauderdale, Fl
IMHO, storage will be the biggest issue on cruising the islands in a 30' boat.

you can island hop, but the costs will be higher since you can't load up when its cheap.

-I don't know the Aloha, but it sounds like a racer.... how much draft?

also cost to move it down south/east? really worth it vs selling and buying again?
 

Sailm8

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Feb 21, 2008
1,750
Hunter 29.5 Punta Gorda
Except for the draft I think you would be fine. Our club has a group cross every year and stay for several months at a time. We haven't lost a boat yet. If you are willing to cross when the conditions are right and not be forced by a schedule you will have a great time. One year our group had to wait 2 weeks for a window but when it came it was a piece of cake. The boats range in size from 27ft monohull to 40ft cat.
 
Jun 6, 2006
6,990
currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
Invest in a marine radio so you can get weather reports while making passage (and lots of other stuff too)
With weather knowledge you can avoid 99.44% of the stuff you are worried about. 100% if you are even the slightest bit risk averse.
30' is kinda small for a live-a-board. However, that assumes a companion (and why go to the Caribbean if you don't have a first mate to share it with? .......;-). Certainly not a family of 7 boat!!!! Critters are right out. Storage and tankage will be your biggest issues. Fresh water can be obtained from the sky IF it rains. It don't for long periods in the Caribbean.
I'd recommend a test drive if you can spare the time. Take her out (with the first mate) on the lake in Canada for a week to see what you think Pretend you are in the Bahamas and cant resupply till week's end This will be quite informative as to what you can and cannot live with.
 
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Bob J.

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Apr 14, 2009
774
Sabre 28 NH
Couples have sailed around the world on boats between 24'-28'.
Don't get sucked into the bigger is better. Take the boat you have & go now :)
 
Jul 28, 2010
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Boston Whaler Montauk New Orleans
As a friend of mine is fond of saying, and assuming your boat is fairly well maintained, "Your boat can handle a lot more than you can." ;-)
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
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Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
The Aloha 30 is a 'coastal design' good for making passage along close to 'the coast' where if stink weather develops you can 'squirt in' to a port or inlets, etc. for safety, etc.

The 'best' way to make for the caribbean is to go direct to Bermuda and then straight south to the islands ... about a week or more on each 'leg'. A coastal boat isn't strong enough and wasnt built strong enough to handle those unexpected condition that 'can' occur along this 'route'.
Sailing to the Caribbean 'can' be done in a coastal design by the 'thorny path' --- Bahamas --> Turks --> DR --> Puerto Rico ---> BVI ---> then 'south' ... all island hopping but mostly beating straight into the 20kt+ trade winds and adverse currents for days and days on end.

Stowage will be a problem with a 30 ft. boat. Consider that for every 1000 lb. you put on board that an Aloha 30 will 'immerse' by 1" at the waterline ... typical 'cruising loads' will be about one ton+ and thats 2" deeper into the water which will affect 'performance'. Think about being much deeper in the water and beating for days on end into 4-6+ waves on top of large swells and your 30 footer violent 'hobbyhorseing' along because its 'overloaded'. Typically for every 6ft. of waterline increase, you typically 'double' the *internal volume* and carrying capacity. Strongly suggest you consider the longest waterline length boat that you can afford ... and then GO for it.

Sure there are quite a few 30 ft. boats seen in the islands, but usually their decks are overloaded with 'stuff' because of the internal volume is lower, the high deck load is going to affect the 'stability & survivability' when its blowing 'real' stink; plus, where will you stow your needed dinghy as you simply cant tow a dink in the open ocean? ditto, also too any 'liferaft', the obligatory jerry cans, etc. etc. Load up a 30 footer with a wind gen, water maker (you 'can' spend up to $1.00/gallon for water in the 'dry' islands), dinghy, extra anchoring gear, SSB, distance Wifi antenna, etc. etc. and youll wind up 'cluttered' and with not much 'living and sailing' space.

I would suggest seeking the longest waterline length that you can afford, and a boat that is probably a minimum of 32-35ft. waterline length ... and then expect to spend 20% extra for fitting out with all the 'goodies' that make long distance cruising a pleasure. A 'coastal built' boat will do for island hopping ... you just have to wait for the correct 'weather window'.
Strongly suggest you consider the longest waterline length boat that you can afford, allowing an extra 20% of the purchase price for upgrade and refit ... and then GO for it.


How to compare boats: http://www.image-ination.com/sailcalc.html .... look for 'motion comfort" values for a 'blue water' boat. ditto look for values of 'seakindliness' if you want to sail in the 'deep blue'. These values may be 'artificial' and are based on 'preference', etc. but will give you some idea of what to look for.

Lastly, dont be gullible to the statements that it "makes no difference if the skipper is 'real good and experienced'" .... as many times the skipper 'may' be below and power-puking into the bilge and the boat may have to 'take care of itself'.
If you decide to 'go coastal' get a 'good' coastal boat; if you decided to go the blue water route ... get an 'honest' blue water boat, not a flimsy clorox bottle dockside entertainment center that 'may' come apart in a severe sea state. A 'good' / well founded coastal design is all thats needed for the Carribean Islands.

A 30 footer is going to be 'cramped' and 'deck heavy'.
 
Oct 26, 2008
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Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
Yeah, I can't get enough of LeaLea. Chuck cracked me up when he used to close his segments by puking overboard!
 
Aug 28, 2012
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Wavelength 24 Columbia, SC
Why go to all the trouble and expense of moving your boat from Canada before trying a 6 or 7 day bare boat charter out of St. Thomas or a nearby port. It will be a cheaper way to educate yourself. After that week you will know much more and hopefully avoid making a disastrous choice.
 
Jun 21, 2007
2,117
Hunter Cherubini 36_80-82 Sausalito / San Francisco Bay
.... I guess my biggest worry is the size of the main cabin windows. They are very large. I would be nervous about them failing with any serious water pressure against them...
Re the above concern, I seem to recall that a featured contributor to/on this forum, Roger Long, once described that he reinforced his ports from the outside with a second layer of removable plexiglas. A maritime equivalent of putting up storm windows on a house. You might try to use this site's search function to find his posts on this.
 
Oct 17, 2011
2,809
Ericson 29 Southport..
"A 30 footer is going to be 'cramped' and 'deck heavy'." -RichH-

Wise words.

Strictly my opinion: As my profile indicates, I do own, and occasionally use a 22' boat. The wife and knock about on it during nice afternoons, strictly a day-boat, 4 1/2" inches bigger than a dink. The very idea of sleeping on it would be unheard of. (The wardens idea of "roughing it" being slow room service).

I have a 29' that is a weekend boat. MAYBE a few nights, and then, not WAY outside, although the boat is perfectly capable of it. But to LIVE on it? Maybe by myself if I were "down on my luck".

I'm looking, (again), for another boat in the 40, to 50 foot range, just so we can go on longish vacations aboard. The very MINIMUM 40 feet.

Now you hear of people all the time going on these nut trips, like Rutherford, etc. on a 27 footer. Young tough guy, probably doesn't mind eating dog food out of a can, got something to prove to somebody, and not a lot of smarts. God looks after drunks and idiots.

Your boat will do it. But don't. There are way too many larger boats around here on the coast than can be procured easily.

You AND lovely bride will be glad for the space.
 

capta

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Jun 4, 2009
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Pearson 530 Admiralty Bay, Bequia SVG
Pretty simple really; you aren't comfortable with the cabin windows on your present boat. Don't you think you should be sailing a boat you are comfortable on if you are going to do some offshore sailing?
 
Sep 28, 2008
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Canadian Sailcraft CS27 Victoria B.C.
There are virtually no boats ready for offshore as purchased, whether a heavier boat thought of as "offshore capable" or a lighter more modern design. Windows can be strengthened as posted by others. Water tanks can be supplemented by bladder tanks or by stowing extra in low places in plastic containers. Aloha (Ouyang Boatworks) is thought of as one of Canada's better builders during that time along with C&C and CS. Ron Holland designed the 30 so it has a good pedigree.
Will it be the most comfortable boat for the trip? No, but it is capable and very similar to another Holland design that did well in the Singlehanded Transatlantic race at that time. As posted storage will be tight, as it is with Vega 27's (several which have circumnavigated) or any other boat 30' or smaller.
An "offshore capable" boat, to me, means a boat that sails well and has no extreme vices, with design features like a smaller companionway, cockpit that is fast draining when flooded and good handholds where likely to be needed. It doesn't have to sail like a half tide rock to be considered ready for offshore. Nor does it have to be 40' long or larger. Look at the voyages that have been made in sub 30' boats in the past. Many traveled far and wide in smaller boats very successfully. None were ready to go without a few modifications but if the structure is solid the changes should not be major.
 

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RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
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Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
A simplified explanation:

An 'offshore' or blue water boat is typically constructed 3 to 4 times stronger than what the insurance records of a long time show as being 'historically' sufficient (not breaking up and or sinking, etc.) for a successful offshore passage including the severest weather possibly encountered. This inbuilt strength will be found in all structural areas, structural systems and including rigging. This 'safety factor' (3X) has 'evolved'.

A 'coastal design' will typically be built to 2X safety factor (sometimes encountering 'stink weather' but not for long or extended periods of time)

An 'inshore design' (small lakes and protected bays, etc.) will typically be built to 1.5X safety factor (hardly ever encountering 'stink condition' eg.: such as F8-9 winds and the normal wave heights accompanying F8-9 windstrengths for many days, over infinite 'fetch', etc).

Note that such is entirely dependent on 'strength' and 'fatigue resistance', not 'weight' ... and what has by 'scantling records' / or long term insurance data has shown to be appropriate.
 
May 27, 2004
2,041
Hunter 30_74-83 Ponce Inlet FL
I've done it in my 1979 30ft Hunter.
I suppose if a hurricane came up in the middle of the atlantic, with me in it, I'd be toast, but so far the Gulf, the East coast of Fla and islands down to the BVI haven't shown a big problem.
You must be sure of the status of the rig, engine and all pertinent gear. The storage issue will resolve itself: If isomething doesn't fit, it, or something else won't make the trip!
 
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