Caliber, Island Packet, Sabre

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After trudging through a very soggy boat show I came away interested in 3 boats, the Caliber, the Island Packet, and the Sabre. Having no personal experience on any of them I would like to ask for opinions or real experience that anyone might have (good or bad) and would be willing to share. The end use would be mostly coastal sailing for the next 3 years with longer cruising plans after that. We are interested in a solid, well built boat in the 38-40 foot range with stable, easily balanced sailing characteristics, and comfortable liveability for long periods of time. Our goal is to make this our last boat (famous last words!) until we no longer have the strength to slip the docklines.;) Thank you for any input that you might have
 
Aug 21, 2006
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Pearson 367 Alexandria, VA
They are all great boats...

I have sailed to Bermuda twice on an Island Packet 45 and I return each time more and more excited about the boat, its layout, storage, ease to maintain, and comfort at sea. With that said, I have never taken an extended sail on either a Caliber or Sabre. I spent sometime on the IP440 this year and last, no doubt about, it this was/is my favorite boat of the show... OK second favorite, a custom Shannon 43 is my real favorite... The kind of a 2:1 price difference is a little hard to swallow. Good luck in your search. You can see pictures of one of my crossing on an IP45 on our website under “Adventures”. www.sailingseadragon.com
 
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Don

personal opinion - no perfect boat exists

It's generally not a good idea to base your decision on other people's opinions, especially those you don't know. Why not take the factory tours? You'll see the differences first-hand and can make an educated decision. IP and Caliber can be done in one day as they are close by each other. Don
 
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Bob D

There is a difference

These are all outstanding boats. The Island Packet and the Caliber have higher D/SA ratios as they are designed primarily as more long range cruisers rather than coastal cruisers. The higher ratios make them more sea kind in heavy air and not great in light air. I looked at Caliber and Sabre when buying, I knew I did not want an IP, I bought a Sabre - there is my bias. The Sabre is a performance cruiser, it will do both and be nimble in light air. The construction detail and components used in the Sabre are premium, it along with the other will hold value for years. BTW there is a Sabre Group on Yahoo at Sabresailboat. BobD
 
Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Three different types

As Bob noted, the Sabre is a performance cruiser. The IPs are pure cruisers (altho they have won some "cruising" races). The only come in one color! :) The Caliber is built "for" long distance cruising with systems backups. The Caliber, as I remember, also has what is almost a unique feature: the side decks are angled out and down to the gunwale, so that when sailing upwind, the windward side deck is level. Some feel this is a great idea, but you must consider that the leeward side deck will be even more tilted outboard on that tack. Also, the side decks being angled will always be tilted when at anchor or at a dock. I found this to be a most disconcerting feature. They're all great boats, maybe designed for different functions, but only you can tell what works for you, what systems are important to you, what the $$ is, and what you like.
 
Jun 3, 2004
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Beneteau 321 Kemah
Island Packet gets my vote

I spent the last couple years struggling with the same question. I took Sabre out of the equation early on because it's geared a little more towards racing than cruising. For example, most heavy duty cruisers have a stay sail but the Sabres are ordinary sloop rigged vessels. If you look at all three boats, you'll see that the Calibers and IPs are clearly designed more for cruising. The Sabre's keel is a fin type whereas the IP is a full keel and the Caliber close to that. And so on. I've gone to the Annapolis boat show for three consecutive years each time trying to find what I thought to be the best boat. Of course, "best" varies depending on what you want. You don't buy a Ferrari expecting to move a piano anymore than you buy a cargo van to enter a road race. I thought very highly of the Caliber and it came out tops in my last after leaving Annapolis last year. Further study of it made me put it down a notch under IP. That said, it's still a good boat. I scrutinized it again last week in Annapolis. I still like it but it's missing a level of finish or quality that the IP has. For example, instead of molded in diamond pattern non-skid, the finish on walking surfaces is like a sprayed on random finish that is shiny. The cabin sole is also a shiny, high gloss surface that makes me question how slippery it could become or whether it could would show wear and tear quicker than a duller finish. The portholes are held up by a somewhat flimsy ball type chain (like the kind you may find on a key ring) whereas IP uses a more robust steel hook and eye. The finish out in the IP is just plain better. I also like the full keel even though it may not be as maneuverable. It protects the rudder and prop better which could be important if you crunched into a reef. IP also makes more boats and is a larger manufacturer with a reputation for excellent customer service. That said, each of these are excellent boats. You can't go wrong with a Caliber if that's one you'd like. In many respects, I think the Caliber is something of a copy cat of the IP. There are some amazing similarities. And Caliber doubtlessly offers a few things IP doesn't such as an ever easier access to the fuel filters. You'll have to judge for yourself but at least take comfort in knowing you can't make a wrong decision. I wound up buying an IP 350 but that's just me. Doesn't mean I'm right or that I know enough to make the best decision. Good luck.
 
Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
One other thing I keep forgetting

How easy is it to get to the dipstick to check the oil? :)
 
Jun 6, 2006
6,990
currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
What kind of sailing

performance are you interested in. I can vouch for the IP being a well built boat but it does not go to windward well. A good friend of mine ownes one and he has basicly given up sailing when the wind get forward of 60 degree off the bow. He hoists the iron spinnaker to go to windward.
 

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Jun 15, 2004
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Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Nancy and I looked at a lot of boats

Island Packets, Pacific Seacraft, Cabo Rico and many others. Servicability is on of the primary concerns that we had while looking. One very attractive boat had the engine installed under the galley furniture. another had a bilge about six inches wide and three feet deep. Pacific Seacraft secured the cockpit hatches with knurled bronze nuts that had to be removed to open the hatch but with no chain to keep them from going adrift. All boats are lovely to look at but when the time comes to adjust the shaft packing can you reach it without dismantling the boat? If you can afford the cost of maintenance done by hired hands then they are all good.
 
Aug 26, 2005
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ERICSON 34 Mattapoisett
Good Boats but Not the Same

I assume you are looking at a new boat. Don't sell the Sabre 386 short. It is a beautiful sailing boat. And faster than either of the others. It can be blue water sailed if you do not contemplate ocean crossing. Rank this one high. I am not sure the Calber of the length you designate is as suitable. The design is old and the boat is less roomy. I happen to like very much the 33 (the 35 is the 33 with a swim transom), but less sure about the 40. The IP around 38 or 40' has a beautiful interior and is very steady in swells. As mentioned earlier it does not go to wind (60 degrees at best - the Sabre sails at 30 degrees) and is quite slow in winds under 10 mph. The cutter rig is goood for blue water sailing. You may like this one, even with its drawbacks. May I add another: Take a careful look at the Tartan of this size. It does not have the sailing drawbacks of the IP. This is more of a cruising boat than the Sabre, very spacious, easily handled by a short crew and to my eye beautiful. I love the lines of a Tartan (cann't say that about an IP). I would rank this over the three on your list. If you are serious about extended cruising and have the $$, look at the Able Apogee 50' on Yachtworld - as sailable by a couple as the Sabre, Caliber or IP and by my money the safest sailboat in the world to cruise in. A Chuck Paine design, they were meticulously built to take the owner any place in the world in safety. With automatic water ballast tanks it sails flat. And fast! How about 18 knots reaching in a 25-30 mph wind? Wow! And they are georgous in coastal cruising. May at first sound a bit wild but check it out. Good luck. Keep us posted as your search continues.
 
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KAK

Thanks to everyone

Thank you all for the responses. We are continuing our research and hopefully will be able to get down to the factories to get a sense of the build of the boats. As we are trying to make this our last boat (famous last words!) we are going to take our time in making the decision. Your inputs have been helpful. Thanks again.
 
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dave

don't rule out sabre

I previously owned a Beneteau 36CC, a step below the choices you have before you in quality, perhaps. I currently own a Sabre 38 and can not fault her in anyway. Extremely comfortable at rest, or sailing. Sails well in to the wind and off the wind. Easily handled by my wife and I and is of very good quality. Mine is old, but even at this age of better quality now, than some of the newer boats as delivered. We have upgraded to roller furl jib and lazy jack main as well as added a genertor. Look at and then SAIL the Sabre. You will not be disappointed. dave
 
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