Has anyone installed cabin heat in a Passage 42? If so, what model, where did you put the heater? Have noticed that Force 10 now has 2 CNG models, the regular and a new "slimline."
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Wall
The only place I see where you could mount it is on the wall in the main cabin on the starboard side. I also would like to hear where someone has installed a heater.
The only place I see where you could mount it is on the wall in the main cabin on the starboard side. I also would like to hear where someone has installed a heater.
arctic forced air
it was great heat! I didn't bother heating the heads, so put the heater in the port aft locker and ran the duct for'd through the interior lockers with one vent in the aft cabin, two in saloon, one in v-berth. orked great! didn't take muchfuel. Noise took a bit of getting used to. the worst part was the heating unit itself: It made the port locker useless, as I didn't want to store anything else in there with it.
it was great heat! I didn't bother heating the heads, so put the heater in the port aft locker and ran the duct for'd through the interior lockers with one vent in the aft cabin, two in saloon, one in v-berth. orked great! didn't take muchfuel. Noise took a bit of getting used to. the worst part was the heating unit itself: It made the port locker useless, as I didn't want to store anything else in there with it.
heat?
I guess we're missing out on something down here. My main concern is keeping cool all 12 months ;>
I guess we're missing out on something down here. My main concern is keeping cool all 12 months ;>
Force 10 CNG
I am also investigating heat for my 40. Force 10 still advertises a CNG slimline. I am told however they no longer make a CNG model. I was about ready to install hot water heat when a live aboard lady with hot wtr heat told me they run a humidifier to get the moisture out. If you figure out a good wall mount solution I would be interested.
I am also investigating heat for my 40. Force 10 still advertises a CNG slimline. I am told however they no longer make a CNG model. I was about ready to install hot water heat when a live aboard lady with hot wtr heat told me they run a humidifier to get the moisture out. If you figure out a good wall mount solution I would be interested.
Cabin Heat...
The cabin heaters are tough on hunters because of the volume. Our boats are big and tall, tons of freeboard, etc. Forced air is tremendously even heat, the combustion air never enters the boat so it is safe from causing exhaust problems, and it warms the air already in the boat, so presuming the air is relatively dry to begin with it will remain dry. We had to go with the Espar diesel forced air because of the volume and the fact that with the aft cabin layout, there are two distinctly seperate areas to heat, plus the v-berth area if it is in use. We were only concerned with main cabin and aft cabin, but we still couldn't generate enough heat to keep them both warm enough. I like the idea of the cabin heaters, however I think that you would need two with an aft cabin layout, twice the investment, twice the installation, and twice the CNG or propane. One more thing. I called Dickenson when investigating my heating possibilities. They say that their cabin heaters are not to be used while underway. People do use them, but it can't be totally safe if the company can't condone the activity. The Espar and other forced hot air are unaffected by motion, giving you freedom to travel comfortably when it is nice but cold. It isn't the right choice for everyone, but the heat thing is a huge decision. Hopefully this will show a perspective maybe you didn't consider. It is like anchors, all about where and how you use it. My biggest revelation was the difficulty in heating a big Hunter.
The cabin heaters are tough on hunters because of the volume. Our boats are big and tall, tons of freeboard, etc. Forced air is tremendously even heat, the combustion air never enters the boat so it is safe from causing exhaust problems, and it warms the air already in the boat, so presuming the air is relatively dry to begin with it will remain dry. We had to go with the Espar diesel forced air because of the volume and the fact that with the aft cabin layout, there are two distinctly seperate areas to heat, plus the v-berth area if it is in use. We were only concerned with main cabin and aft cabin, but we still couldn't generate enough heat to keep them both warm enough. I like the idea of the cabin heaters, however I think that you would need two with an aft cabin layout, twice the investment, twice the installation, and twice the CNG or propane. One more thing. I called Dickenson when investigating my heating possibilities. They say that their cabin heaters are not to be used while underway. People do use them, but it can't be totally safe if the company can't condone the activity. The Espar and other forced hot air are unaffected by motion, giving you freedom to travel comfortably when it is nice but cold. It isn't the right choice for everyone, but the heat thing is a huge decision. Hopefully this will show a perspective maybe you didn't consider. It is like anchors, all about where and how you use it. My biggest revelation was the difficulty in heating a big Hunter.
Install a couple of reverse cycle units
We have a 16K and a 5K Marine Air units on our 40.5. The 5K is in the aft cabin and the 16K does the rest of the boat. Just set the thermostat and forget it. We have a generator to provide the power when we are underway or on the hook. We are located in Westerly RI, and last year in early spring with the boat sitting in 45 degree water the units were putting out 135 degree air! There was no shortage of heat at all. And in the summer, using the cooling mode, we can make it cold enough to hang meat. IMO, really great systems.
We have a 16K and a 5K Marine Air units on our 40.5. The 5K is in the aft cabin and the 16K does the rest of the boat. Just set the thermostat and forget it. We have a generator to provide the power when we are underway or on the hook. We are located in Westerly RI, and last year in early spring with the boat sitting in 45 degree water the units were putting out 135 degree air! There was no shortage of heat at all. And in the summer, using the cooling mode, we can make it cold enough to hang meat. IMO, really great systems.
Must be a problem with my Marine Air
I'll read the manuals on the A/C units to see what is wrong. In 54 degree water, all I get is cold air. Rich, since I am writing this from home you can be sure the repeater got me here! Hope you have a good splash Monday!
I'll read the manuals on the A/C units to see what is wrong. In 54 degree water, all I get is cold air. Rich, since I am writing this from home you can be sure the repeater got me here! Hope you have a good splash Monday!
Reverse cycle continued
My 42 had Marine Air, too, and it was very effective heat in all the but the coldest weather. When temps dropped below low-20's it had a hard time keeping up. However, it sure wouldn't be my first choice for heat at anchor
My 42 had Marine Air, too, and it was very effective heat in all the but the coldest weather. When temps dropped below low-20's it had a hard time keeping up. However, it sure wouldn't be my first choice for heat at anchor
Webasto H20
We had a Webasto DBW2010 installed 2 1/2 years ago and it has made it through 3 Pacific NW winters. Once the marina even iced over for a few days and it was still 70 deg. inside the boat. The burner is in the aft lazzarette. The water hose runs under most all of the floorboards, heating them too. Air is blown over the hot water pipes within five "MSR" units. One MSR blows air over the pipes and directly into the main cabin, under the table. The other 4 MSRs feed two air hoses each: 1 - aft head 2 - aft cabin 1 - galley 1 - stbd side of main cabin 1 - hallway on port side 1 - fwd head 1 - fwd cabin If we used the fwd cabin more often, I'd consider adding another MSR up there. The best part of the system is the "everhot" hot water heater that is a big heat exchanger under the aft bed. As the name implies, it heats up cold water for showers and the hot water should last as long as you still have deisel in the fuel tank, not just for the capacity of the hot water tank. Oh, there's also a finned-tube section of pipe under the aft bed to heat up the bed which eliminate all moisture and condensation under the bed. We do have a de-humidifier, but the humidity and condensation is not produced by the hot water system. The water is fully enclosed in the pipes and cannot contribute to the humidity in the cabin. In fact, when we're away, the de-humidifier isn't necessary. It's just when we have lots of bodies aboard or boil water on the stove that the dehumidifier really sucks the water out of the air. Sure Marine in Seattle has been great to deal with. The only problem we've had in 2 1/2 years is that one of the small muffin fans started making a funny noise when the bearings started to wear out. (it's similar to a large computer fan) I stopped by the Sure Marine booth at the Seattle boat show and they unscrewed a fan from one of their display units and sold it to me at a reasonable price on the spot. Ask for references for people who have had service performed recently and you may find a wide variety of responses with other dealers. The only drawback is cost - almost $20K fully installed, if I remember right. Much cheaper if you do it yourself. If you have the time and can understand the system, it's worth considering doing it yourself but access can be tough on these fiberglass production boats. If you post any questions about the system, you might drop me an e-mail at chriskat@ricochet.net. I haven't had much time to check these forums for a while.
We had a Webasto DBW2010 installed 2 1/2 years ago and it has made it through 3 Pacific NW winters. Once the marina even iced over for a few days and it was still 70 deg. inside the boat. The burner is in the aft lazzarette. The water hose runs under most all of the floorboards, heating them too. Air is blown over the hot water pipes within five "MSR" units. One MSR blows air over the pipes and directly into the main cabin, under the table. The other 4 MSRs feed two air hoses each: 1 - aft head 2 - aft cabin 1 - galley 1 - stbd side of main cabin 1 - hallway on port side 1 - fwd head 1 - fwd cabin If we used the fwd cabin more often, I'd consider adding another MSR up there. The best part of the system is the "everhot" hot water heater that is a big heat exchanger under the aft bed. As the name implies, it heats up cold water for showers and the hot water should last as long as you still have deisel in the fuel tank, not just for the capacity of the hot water tank. Oh, there's also a finned-tube section of pipe under the aft bed to heat up the bed which eliminate all moisture and condensation under the bed. We do have a de-humidifier, but the humidity and condensation is not produced by the hot water system. The water is fully enclosed in the pipes and cannot contribute to the humidity in the cabin. In fact, when we're away, the de-humidifier isn't necessary. It's just when we have lots of bodies aboard or boil water on the stove that the dehumidifier really sucks the water out of the air. Sure Marine in Seattle has been great to deal with. The only problem we've had in 2 1/2 years is that one of the small muffin fans started making a funny noise when the bearings started to wear out. (it's similar to a large computer fan) I stopped by the Sure Marine booth at the Seattle boat show and they unscrewed a fan from one of their display units and sold it to me at a reasonable price on the spot. Ask for references for people who have had service performed recently and you may find a wide variety of responses with other dealers. The only drawback is cost - almost $20K fully installed, if I remember right. Much cheaper if you do it yourself. If you have the time and can understand the system, it's worth considering doing it yourself but access can be tough on these fiberglass production boats. If you post any questions about the system, you might drop me an e-mail at chriskat@ricochet.net. I haven't had much time to check these forums for a while.
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