the cabin floor of our '89 26.5' hunter needs attention. expect usual problems with area towards the cockpit fading. about 8 square inches where the holly/teak(?) has lifted slightly on the edge near the hatch. could anyone advise as to best repair, maintenance and putting into good and lasting condition again. i understand that the holly/ teak floor is laminated or veneerred and there can be poblems in oversanding and stripping. is it therefore best to spend 3-400 dollars on professional restoration or is a fairly simple process for a relatively careful layman to do. alternatively, does anyone know if it might be best to install a new laminate/ floor - cost - and as much detail of doing this - with problems - and if, with care it can be done by myself - classed, i hope, 'an intelligent layman' ! tom.
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Ask the Expert!
Tom, About a year ago, there was a teak expert on the HOW. All of this type of information, like yours specifically, were discussed. If you can figure how to tap into that info, it was great on how to's and products to use. If you have trouble locating it, you may ask Phil H. in the site topice forum. good luck, Mike D.
Tom, About a year ago, there was a teak expert on the HOW. All of this type of information, like yours specifically, were discussed. If you can figure how to tap into that info, it was great on how to's and products to use. If you have trouble locating it, you may ask Phil H. in the site topice forum. good luck, Mike D.
tanks
mike, tanks for so quikly - thought the satellite had dropped out of the sky!! will do the research the next couple of days - tanks again. tom ( using word 'tanks" phonetically 'cos lost another tuth yesterday - a big un towards the back - one i tink is called a molar - cracked last year on some deshacklin so best it fell out tis mornink - i tink. - tom.)
mike, tanks for so quikly - thought the satellite had dropped out of the sky!! will do the research the next couple of days - tanks again. tom ( using word 'tanks" phonetically 'cos lost another tuth yesterday - a big un towards the back - one i tink is called a molar - cracked last year on some deshacklin so best it fell out tis mornink - i tink. - tom.)
Cabin floor / sole --Refinishing
Tom, I refinished the cabin sole on my 1988 H33.5 last summer. The results were worth the effort. I used Daly's Profin varnish that is used on newer Hunters. Check the forum archives (both old and new) for details on the refinishing process. Essentially, I sanded with 150 and 220 paper with an orbital sander connected to a vacuum. The sole was then scrubed with a towel wetted with acetone (with much ventilation), vacuumed, wiped with a tack cloth, and coated with 6 applications of Profin with sanding between coats. Profin can be ordered directly from Daly's for approximately $40 per gallon. One gallon is sufficient. Good Luck. David.
Tom, I refinished the cabin sole on my 1988 H33.5 last summer. The results were worth the effort. I used Daly's Profin varnish that is used on newer Hunters. Check the forum archives (both old and new) for details on the refinishing process. Essentially, I sanded with 150 and 220 paper with an orbital sander connected to a vacuum. The sole was then scrubed with a towel wetted with acetone (with much ventilation), vacuumed, wiped with a tack cloth, and coated with 6 applications of Profin with sanding between coats. Profin can be ordered directly from Daly's for approximately $40 per gallon. One gallon is sufficient. Good Luck. David.
Dings
Has anyone found a good way to fill in the dings that appear when dropping everything I pickup onto the all too soft veneer, before applying the Profin coating?
Has anyone found a good way to fill in the dings that appear when dropping everything I pickup onto the all too soft veneer, before applying the Profin coating?
Photo Forum Pics, Profin and Dings
Bruce Grant did a great write up in the photo forum on 11/12/99 for refinishing his cabin sole. He's been there, done that and has some great tips. The only recommendation i would make would be to pull out the sole and do all of the work at home or outside. I will be doing the same project over this winter in our basement in Vermont (It's a bit chilly for sailing) I'm not sure if your cabin sole is as easy to pull out as our H28 '93, but if it is you can save a lot of dusting after you sand and you won't have to fumble around in the cabin with masking tape and fumes while you refinish. He also describes a way to "steam" the dings out. It probably won't solve really deep ones but it can help reduce the ones you may have. Good Luck!
Bruce Grant did a great write up in the photo forum on 11/12/99 for refinishing his cabin sole. He's been there, done that and has some great tips. The only recommendation i would make would be to pull out the sole and do all of the work at home or outside. I will be doing the same project over this winter in our basement in Vermont (It's a bit chilly for sailing) I'm not sure if your cabin sole is as easy to pull out as our H28 '93, but if it is you can save a lot of dusting after you sand and you won't have to fumble around in the cabin with masking tape and fumes while you refinish. He also describes a way to "steam" the dings out. It probably won't solve really deep ones but it can help reduce the ones you may have. Good Luck!
ding approach
I have had limited sucess repairing dings by putting a wet towell over the depression and then ironing it with a hot iron. (the type that you use for clothing.) Do it right away when you drop something, because the longer the ding sits, the more it gets set. The iron technique won't do much for a creased ding, such as the one when I dropped a phillips-head screwdriver through the companionway, which stuck point-down in the sole, leaving a nifty little cross in the veneer. ouch. putty time.
I have had limited sucess repairing dings by putting a wet towell over the depression and then ironing it with a hot iron. (the type that you use for clothing.) Do it right away when you drop something, because the longer the ding sits, the more it gets set. The iron technique won't do much for a creased ding, such as the one when I dropped a phillips-head screwdriver through the companionway, which stuck point-down in the sole, leaving a nifty little cross in the veneer. ouch. putty time.
Can't decide on this alternative...
I've seen lots of folks with (dare I say it) carpet of some kind on the cabin sole. Being a bit of a wood-loving person, I can't quite decide if I want to do this as I have planned to redo the sole in my boat. OTOH, the carpet requires less time, expense, and care. I really enjoyed Bruce's photo shoot of the rework on his 28' but (I hate to admit it) I would love to get my cabin sole to the point his was BEFORE he started; mine's almost, well, it's horrible. The other issue is, HOW well does the refinish last? Does it stand up to a lot of traffic? (Four people three times a week plus weekend overnighters.) If not, is there anything I can do to extend the life of a sole job without making it "shiny" with polyeurethane or the like? If I redo the sole and THEN put carpet over it, what can I put under the carpet to eliminate scratches, scuffs, or wear from the underside of the carpet? And then, HOW do I keep THAT material from sticking to the sole? Any and all suggestions to help resolve this dilemna are welcome (except for those stating I should get off my lazy duff and just do it!)
I've seen lots of folks with (dare I say it) carpet of some kind on the cabin sole. Being a bit of a wood-loving person, I can't quite decide if I want to do this as I have planned to redo the sole in my boat. OTOH, the carpet requires less time, expense, and care. I really enjoyed Bruce's photo shoot of the rework on his 28' but (I hate to admit it) I would love to get my cabin sole to the point his was BEFORE he started; mine's almost, well, it's horrible. The other issue is, HOW well does the refinish last? Does it stand up to a lot of traffic? (Four people three times a week plus weekend overnighters.) If not, is there anything I can do to extend the life of a sole job without making it "shiny" with polyeurethane or the like? If I redo the sole and THEN put carpet over it, what can I put under the carpet to eliminate scratches, scuffs, or wear from the underside of the carpet? And then, HOW do I keep THAT material from sticking to the sole? Any and all suggestions to help resolve this dilemna are welcome (except for those stating I should get off my lazy duff and just do it!)
Do both
Jay: Our H'31 has carpet in the main saloon from the compression post back to the crossmember in the floor. We then have another piece of carpet for the companionway and over to the port side and back under the aft qtr. berth. We basically destroyed our floor from pulling an ice box in and out on the sole. We removed the cross member going into the head on the floor and use an area rug in that area. I am generally pleased with the carpet. It is a gray berber and we had the carpet bound on the edges (cost more than the carpet). There is no problem with the carpet moving, hence no scuffing of the sole. SOOO, you can refinish the floor and also put carpet on it too. You can put the carpet down now and refinish when you get a chance. The finsh will protect the wood from dampness. We also have a dog (Ms Rosa) that dictates (not verbally) that we have carpet. It does make it better when your feet get wet too, you do not need to worry about slipping about.
Jay: Our H'31 has carpet in the main saloon from the compression post back to the crossmember in the floor. We then have another piece of carpet for the companionway and over to the port side and back under the aft qtr. berth. We basically destroyed our floor from pulling an ice box in and out on the sole. We removed the cross member going into the head on the floor and use an area rug in that area. I am generally pleased with the carpet. It is a gray berber and we had the carpet bound on the edges (cost more than the carpet). There is no problem with the carpet moving, hence no scuffing of the sole. SOOO, you can refinish the floor and also put carpet on it too. You can put the carpet down now and refinish when you get a chance. The finsh will protect the wood from dampness. We also have a dog (Ms Rosa) that dictates (not verbally) that we have carpet. It does make it better when your feet get wet too, you do not need to worry about slipping about.
9 Month Update
It has been about 9 months since I refinished the cabin sole. It has held up very well, there are obvious wear marks from the bottom of the companion way to the ice box (how could that have happened?). I am out on the boat most every weekend since I have redone the cabin sole, sometimes solo, sometimes with friend and thier kids. I do not enforce any type of sole protection rules (other than no soccer cleats). I think that I could add another coat of Profin and have it back to the same condition it was after I finished this spring. So long and short is that it was a bit of work to do, but it has held up better than I expected. Regards. Bruce.
It has been about 9 months since I refinished the cabin sole. It has held up very well, there are obvious wear marks from the bottom of the companion way to the ice box (how could that have happened?). I am out on the boat most every weekend since I have redone the cabin sole, sometimes solo, sometimes with friend and thier kids. I do not enforce any type of sole protection rules (other than no soccer cleats). I think that I could add another coat of Profin and have it back to the same condition it was after I finished this spring. So long and short is that it was a bit of work to do, but it has held up better than I expected. Regards. Bruce.
Where do you find Daly's Profin?
I'm interested in a long lasting clear finish for the cabin sole. Thought of using tung oil. Bad idea?
I'm interested in a long lasting clear finish for the cabin sole. Thought of using tung oil. Bad idea?
Carpet?
If you are interested in putting in some carpet you may also try posting something to Planet Catalina or signing up on the Catalina 30 list and posting a message. Many Catalina 30's come with carpet laid over the fiberglass sole. The only place some models have wood is a narrow channel directly over the keel for access to the keel bolts. In any case, the folks there may be able to give you info about the kind of carpet, where to get it, and how it should be backed.
If you are interested in putting in some carpet you may also try posting something to Planet Catalina or signing up on the Catalina 30 list and posting a message. Many Catalina 30's come with carpet laid over the fiberglass sole. The only place some models have wood is a narrow channel directly over the keel for access to the keel bolts. In any case, the folks there may be able to give you info about the kind of carpet, where to get it, and how it should be backed.
Cuttin Wear and Tear with Rugs
In order to cut down on the wear and tear on the heavy traffic areas..cockpit to galley etc.. We use some rubber backed throw rugs so they don't slide around. The sole looks like new after over 2 years. Don't leave rugs on sole permanently. They will trap moisture and turn the wood grain dark. The only fix for this is complete stripping and wood bleach...major hassle and hard to get even. I would also be careful with carpet for the same reason. You may pull it up somewhere down the road and be very disappointed with what's happened to your wood underneath.
In order to cut down on the wear and tear on the heavy traffic areas..cockpit to galley etc.. We use some rubber backed throw rugs so they don't slide around. The sole looks like new after over 2 years. Don't leave rugs on sole permanently. They will trap moisture and turn the wood grain dark. The only fix for this is complete stripping and wood bleach...major hassle and hard to get even. I would also be careful with carpet for the same reason. You may pull it up somewhere down the road and be very disappointed with what's happened to your wood underneath.
"The Prettiest Sailboat on The Bay".
thanks for those replies - hope also my original question has helped many others as well. yes trying to get her 26.5 to being - "The Prettiest Sailboat on The Bay" for this coming season - much to do!!!! tom
thanks for those replies - hope also my original question has helped many others as well. yes trying to get her 26.5 to being - "The Prettiest Sailboat on The Bay" for this coming season - much to do!!!! tom
daly's
just seen message in general interest forum that daly's is made in ca. address, etc. there. tom.
just seen message in general interest forum that daly's is made in ca. address, etc. there. tom.
Brightwork!
Tom Sounds like you have a tedious but fun project before you. I finished the cockpit sole on our prior boat (1987 Hunter 33.5). It requires careful preparation, use of adhesives where the veneer has lifted, tinted wood fillers in areas of voids. Follow this with the proper sanding, application of oil prior to varnishing & you will have a fabulous result. Your bible should be the great book by Rebecca J. Wittman "Brightwork". Good luck & wear a respirator. Bob
Tom Sounds like you have a tedious but fun project before you. I finished the cockpit sole on our prior boat (1987 Hunter 33.5). It requires careful preparation, use of adhesives where the veneer has lifted, tinted wood fillers in areas of voids. Follow this with the proper sanding, application of oil prior to varnishing & you will have a fabulous result. Your bible should be the great book by Rebecca J. Wittman "Brightwork". Good luck & wear a respirator. Bob
Daly's Address
Tom, You can contact Daly's at the following sites: 800-735-7019 or http://dalysinc.com/marine.html
Tom, You can contact Daly's at the following sites: 800-735-7019 or http://dalysinc.com/marine.html
Daly's in Seattle/Bellvue, WA
I purchased Daly's SeaFin Teakoil direct from them last summer. They are in Seattle and Bellevue Washington and they shipped direct to me. The stuff was great and easy to use. Check the Photo Forum for "Teak Salon Cabinets" to see the finish and how it matched.
I purchased Daly's SeaFin Teakoil direct from them last summer. They are in Seattle and Bellevue Washington and they shipped direct to me. The stuff was great and easy to use. Check the Photo Forum for "Teak Salon Cabinets" to see the finish and how it matched.
only one answer for teak floor
Sikens C-tol Marine, after a good sanding is the ONLY thing to use on the floor
Sikens C-tol Marine, after a good sanding is the ONLY thing to use on the floor
Finishing Cabin Sole
I must take exception to the idea of using Cetol Marine to refinish the cabin sole. Cetol is an excellent finish to use on exterior teak since it has so much pigmentation to protect against harmful UV radiation. I have it on the exterior teak on my boat and it is holding up well after 3 years. I would not recommend Cetol for use on the cabin sole. The pigmentation in the varnish will mask out the natural beauty of the teak grain. Again, I highly recommend Daly's Profin Urethane varnish. I used it on the sole on my boat last summer and the results were excellent. Advise looking in the archives under Daly's Profin for more advice. David
I must take exception to the idea of using Cetol Marine to refinish the cabin sole. Cetol is an excellent finish to use on exterior teak since it has so much pigmentation to protect against harmful UV radiation. I have it on the exterior teak on my boat and it is holding up well after 3 years. I would not recommend Cetol for use on the cabin sole. The pigmentation in the varnish will mask out the natural beauty of the teak grain. Again, I highly recommend Daly's Profin Urethane varnish. I used it on the sole on my boat last summer and the results were excellent. Advise looking in the archives under Daly's Profin for more advice. David
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