Hi, Looking to buy a 2005 Beneteau 373 through a broker. I want to validate if the options listed are priced fairly or if there is room for bargain. Specially some of the options are being identified as "must have" and I want to make sure my leg is not being pulled. I appreciate any comments. The following are options which I have requested, thus just trying to find out if the price is "fair" or way out of the average market price: Base Price: $134,400.00 Yanmar 40HP upgrade: $1,900 Air Conditioning: $5,300 Winch Upgrade (48 CSTO/44SCTO) $750 Macerator Pump: $475 C80 Chartplotter Multifunction Display: $2,534 WAAS GPS $653 Radar Dome: $1,534 Radar mast mount: $231 And here are the options I am curious if it should be part of the base price or if it should be additional cost to me: 2001 Epoxy Barrier Coat (2 Coats): 444 Bottom Paint: 1,369 After adding all these options, other sailing requirements (like anchor and anchor chain, Docklines, Horn, fire extinguisher, lifevests, etc), delivery, and commision - it ends up around $154k. Thanks again for any comments..... v.
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options
Of all the options you have listed about the only one I eally see as "optional" would be the AC. It would be different if you were sailing farther south. But remember that is a personal choice. On Angels' Grace I added several Hella fans and have not had an uncomfortable night or day for that matter. Also the barrier coat is usually an extra and I think the price you got was very reasonable. Bottom paint somtimes comes as part of the deal and other times you pay. Look at the contract You could certainly try to haggle a little bit Congratulations on your new boat Charlie
Of all the options you have listed about the only one I eally see as "optional" would be the AC. It would be different if you were sailing farther south. But remember that is a personal choice. On Angels' Grace I added several Hella fans and have not had an uncomfortable night or day for that matter. Also the barrier coat is usually an extra and I think the price you got was very reasonable. Bottom paint somtimes comes as part of the deal and other times you pay. Look at the contract You could certainly try to haggle a little bit Congratulations on your new boat Charlie
You have wiggle room!
You have some wiggle room in the electronics package. I purchased the same items: C80 Display, Radome, WAAS GPS, and the Navionics Gold chip for my area for $2609.00. My price does not include installation, but any idiot can install the electronics. Everything is plug & play. Jim
You have some wiggle room in the electronics package. I purchased the same items: C80 Display, Radome, WAAS GPS, and the Navionics Gold chip for my area for $2609.00. My price does not include installation, but any idiot can install the electronics. Everything is plug & play. Jim
Epoxy paint
With regard to the expoxy barrier coat: 1) Two coats is usually not enough, I think Interlux recommends 3-4 at least. 2) Pay extra and have this DONE RIGHT, not by someone slapping it on with rollers. Epoxy bottom paint will last a long time and go a long way to protect your investment. The last thing you want is a rough, sloppy coat epoxy because its very hard to sand and rough = slow. I had 3 coats applied to my 321 after I purchased it used. The bottom was professionally prepped and professionally sprayed by a Interlux sanctioned shop. I paid about $500 Canadian per coat, plus prep. No post sanding was required as the spray-coat is much smoother. Prep on a new boat should be less, though, as all they need to do is scuff the gelcoat (this aids adherence of the epoxy). Fair winds! Tim
With regard to the expoxy barrier coat: 1) Two coats is usually not enough, I think Interlux recommends 3-4 at least. 2) Pay extra and have this DONE RIGHT, not by someone slapping it on with rollers. Epoxy bottom paint will last a long time and go a long way to protect your investment. The last thing you want is a rough, sloppy coat epoxy because its very hard to sand and rough = slow. I had 3 coats applied to my 321 after I purchased it used. The bottom was professionally prepped and professionally sprayed by a Interlux sanctioned shop. I paid about $500 Canadian per coat, plus prep. No post sanding was required as the spray-coat is much smoother. Prep on a new boat should be less, though, as all they need to do is scuff the gelcoat (this aids adherence of the epoxy). Fair winds! Tim
Barrier Coat Caution
I note you are buying a new (from the factory) boat. Beware! The SC plant is using vinylester gel coat because it's much less subject to blisters, which is also the reason for epoxy barrier coat. My manufacturer's instructions caution about aggressively sanding the gel coat -- you don't want to sand through the vinylester layer.
I note you are buying a new (from the factory) boat. Beware! The SC plant is using vinylester gel coat because it's much less subject to blisters, which is also the reason for epoxy barrier coat. My manufacturer's instructions caution about aggressively sanding the gel coat -- you don't want to sand through the vinylester layer.
Vinylester Gelcoat?
Dr. Brown, That doesn't sound quite right..."vinylester gelcoat"? My understanding is that gelcoat is sprayed into into the mold, creating the gelcoat layer, THEN a vinylester resin is sprayed over that which creates a layer of protection between the gelcoat and the glass layup. This is the protection from blisters, a sort-of inner barrier coat. Maybe Charlie can chime in on this as I may be mistaken. You are correct in that you don't want to sand through the gelcoat as you will comprimise the inner vinylester barrier at some point. However, if that does happen, that is the whole reason for epoxy barrier coat anyway, to seal it up. My boatyard regularly "peels" blistered bottoms right down to the glass layup, and then applies epoxy layers as the new "bottom". That is then sanded and faired and there is effectively no more gelcoat on the bottom. At least I'm 99% sure that's their process! What do you think Charlie? Tim
Dr. Brown, That doesn't sound quite right..."vinylester gelcoat"? My understanding is that gelcoat is sprayed into into the mold, creating the gelcoat layer, THEN a vinylester resin is sprayed over that which creates a layer of protection between the gelcoat and the glass layup. This is the protection from blisters, a sort-of inner barrier coat. Maybe Charlie can chime in on this as I may be mistaken. You are correct in that you don't want to sand through the gelcoat as you will comprimise the inner vinylester barrier at some point. However, if that does happen, that is the whole reason for epoxy barrier coat anyway, to seal it up. My boatyard regularly "peels" blistered bottoms right down to the glass layup, and then applies epoxy layers as the new "bottom". That is then sanded and faired and there is effectively no more gelcoat on the bottom. At least I'm 99% sure that's their process! What do you think Charlie? Tim
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