Isabel almost pulled off two of my stern cleats from my 1977 25 Cherubini. I bought two new ones to replace the damaged old ones but when I started unscrewing the phillips screws, I could only get about 1/16th to 1/8th of an inch before the screws began to turn but not reverse from the hole i.e. I was turning the screw but not able to pull it (or any) out. Is there a bolt on the inside? Any hints for re-sealing wqhen I get the new ones installed? Also can I use plexiglass to replace discolored/misty old windows? Peter
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Nuts under the deck
Time to crawl under the cockpit with a wrench (under the seat) Once you get the nts off have a backing plate made up to to go on before the nuts go back on, I doubt there is one there. A 10 year old would be a great tool for this job.
Time to crawl under the cockpit with a wrench (under the seat) Once you get the nts off have a backing plate made up to to go on before the nuts go back on, I doubt there is one there. A 10 year old would be a great tool for this job.
Plexiglass windows are fine
Peter, I bought Plexiglass for my cabin windows too. No problem. Let me know if you want me to make you a set of nifty stainless-steel trim rings for them. These would be for the Gen-1 'bubble-top' or flush-deck H25 (NOT trunk-cabin boats). JC 2
Peter, I bought Plexiglass for my cabin windows too. No problem. Let me know if you want me to make you a set of nifty stainless-steel trim rings for them. These would be for the Gen-1 'bubble-top' or flush-deck H25 (NOT trunk-cabin boats). JC 2
Thanks JC2
Sorry! I'm a novice. What are these steel trim rings, bubbletop and flush deck you mention? My craft is on the Hunter Owners list and includes a photo by the way.
Sorry! I'm a novice. What are these steel trim rings, bubbletop and flush deck you mention? My craft is on the Hunter Owners list and includes a photo by the way.
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H25 ports for two cabin styles
Peter, you appear to have the true plum of the H25 series: the trunk-cabin 'Mk 2' boat. I happen to love the earlier flush-deck/bubble-top versionfor its looks, but having recently seen one like yours I sort of regret not holding out for a Mk 2 boat. They are identical in all respects but for the deck and cabin mould. The four windows in your boat are similar to the two oval ones on the 27 and the ones on the early 30s. As far as I know they were completely manufactured by Hunter (not an off-the-shelf product, though they later changed that policy). The trapezoidal ones on my boat were designed by my dad and made by Hunter using aluminium trim rings and plexiglass. To change the plexi, remove the rings and plastic from the boat, scrape off the old bedding compound, and wash with acetone. Acquire some dark-grey 'smoked' plexi from a plastics guy (a Thomas's register will give you some sources) and use the old ones for patters to cut out the new ones. Re-install with new screws, flat washers and aircraft locknuts using 5200. Do NOT squeeze them all the way down for about 48 hours. Then screw them home tight. It should never leak. The worst part of the job, either now or in future, is removing the 5200. Use a combination of razor knives, plastic scrapers, acetone, or even gasoline (best solvent I know for cured 5200) and with patience and care you will achieve your results. JC 2
Peter, you appear to have the true plum of the H25 series: the trunk-cabin 'Mk 2' boat. I happen to love the earlier flush-deck/bubble-top versionfor its looks, but having recently seen one like yours I sort of regret not holding out for a Mk 2 boat. They are identical in all respects but for the deck and cabin mould. The four windows in your boat are similar to the two oval ones on the 27 and the ones on the early 30s. As far as I know they were completely manufactured by Hunter (not an off-the-shelf product, though they later changed that policy). The trapezoidal ones on my boat were designed by my dad and made by Hunter using aluminium trim rings and plexiglass. To change the plexi, remove the rings and plastic from the boat, scrape off the old bedding compound, and wash with acetone. Acquire some dark-grey 'smoked' plexi from a plastics guy (a Thomas's register will give you some sources) and use the old ones for patters to cut out the new ones. Re-install with new screws, flat washers and aircraft locknuts using 5200. Do NOT squeeze them all the way down for about 48 hours. Then screw them home tight. It should never leak. The worst part of the job, either now or in future, is removing the 5200. Use a combination of razor knives, plastic scrapers, acetone, or even gasoline (best solvent I know for cured 5200) and with patience and care you will achieve your results. JC 2
When did cabin styles change?
I didn't realize that the H25 came in two styles until I started checking out this site. I have an '83 eight-window, and thought they all came with 8 opening ports. When did the styles change, and why? I will never again, under any circumstances, own a boat that doesn't have opening ports. Ventilation is far too important, especially in Texas. I've had five other boats with "pop-tops", and those aren't the answer, either. The opening ports were the deciding factor in buying the Hunter-- I have a special fondness for the Cal 25 and Ericson25+, but they have fixed ports, and I WANT AIR! Did Hunter begin with openers and later turn to fixed? Is there a history of our boats posted somewhere? I've been unable to find one.
I didn't realize that the H25 came in two styles until I started checking out this site. I have an '83 eight-window, and thought they all came with 8 opening ports. When did the styles change, and why? I will never again, under any circumstances, own a boat that doesn't have opening ports. Ventilation is far too important, especially in Texas. I've had five other boats with "pop-tops", and those aren't the answer, either. The opening ports were the deciding factor in buying the Hunter-- I have a special fondness for the Cal 25 and Ericson25+, but they have fixed ports, and I WANT AIR! Did Hunter begin with openers and later turn to fixed? Is there a history of our boats posted somewhere? I've been unable to find one.
H25 model range
I posted this somewhere before, but-- as far as I can remember-- here it is again. Dates are close, maybe dead-on, but not guaranteed to be exact. Mk 1 boat = "flush deck" or what we called bubble-top"/"Spitfire-canopy" version; had low domed cabintop and coaming going over the top of the spray hood. Motif was plain blue and white. 1972-1976. Mk 2 boat = trunk cabin. Otherwise identical to Mk 1. Some had pop-tops but I can't remember when or why and have not seen many at all. Motif was black and white. Each side has two long oval fixed window (ala H27) plus one smaller oval in the head. Best looking/ most practical of the bunch. 1976-1977. Mk 3 boat = raised deck and trunk cabin. Deck mould included about 4" of sheer height; very ugly (to my eye, and my dad's). Motif was sort of tan and black (the disco era loved brown for some reason!). Each side has one long trapezoidal window (ala H30) and one opening port in the head. Moulded cockpit includes seat-locker drains (ala Cherubini 44) and mainsheet traveller. The aft end of the cockpit is pretty nice. 1978-1980-ish. Mk 4 boat = post-Cherubini boat. Identical to Mk 3 except each side has four opening ports. Typcially sold with blue/silver/black stripe motif. This one marks the end of the Cherubini-designed 25s. 1980-1983. ALL models were offered with shoal (3') or standard (4') fin keels. The hull mould did not change through the whole production run. Hunter used two hull moulds and in 1972-1978 the Marlboro, NJ, production shop ran two lines of 25s side-by side and one each of the 27, 30, and 33. Each boat took one week; every day at 10 AM they popped a new hull out of the mould and pushed a finished boat out the door from EACH line (5 boats a day!). Not sure who, if anyone, still makes boats like this today. BTW-- we've always referred to the 25 as a Cherubini boat, not really a Cherubini-Seidelmann boat, by reason of intimate knowledge of the design process though it is not politically appropriate to explain for this web site. To my eye and design expertise level I don't see much resemblance to the H25 in Seidelmann's own range of boats in the late '70s except for the fact that they're fibreglass and they have masts and bottom paint (sometimes). JC 2 Cherubini Art & Nautical Design Org. Burlington NJ jcomet@aol.com
I posted this somewhere before, but-- as far as I can remember-- here it is again. Dates are close, maybe dead-on, but not guaranteed to be exact. Mk 1 boat = "flush deck" or what we called bubble-top"/"Spitfire-canopy" version; had low domed cabintop and coaming going over the top of the spray hood. Motif was plain blue and white. 1972-1976. Mk 2 boat = trunk cabin. Otherwise identical to Mk 1. Some had pop-tops but I can't remember when or why and have not seen many at all. Motif was black and white. Each side has two long oval fixed window (ala H27) plus one smaller oval in the head. Best looking/ most practical of the bunch. 1976-1977. Mk 3 boat = raised deck and trunk cabin. Deck mould included about 4" of sheer height; very ugly (to my eye, and my dad's). Motif was sort of tan and black (the disco era loved brown for some reason!). Each side has one long trapezoidal window (ala H30) and one opening port in the head. Moulded cockpit includes seat-locker drains (ala Cherubini 44) and mainsheet traveller. The aft end of the cockpit is pretty nice. 1978-1980-ish. Mk 4 boat = post-Cherubini boat. Identical to Mk 3 except each side has four opening ports. Typcially sold with blue/silver/black stripe motif. This one marks the end of the Cherubini-designed 25s. 1980-1983. ALL models were offered with shoal (3') or standard (4') fin keels. The hull mould did not change through the whole production run. Hunter used two hull moulds and in 1972-1978 the Marlboro, NJ, production shop ran two lines of 25s side-by side and one each of the 27, 30, and 33. Each boat took one week; every day at 10 AM they popped a new hull out of the mould and pushed a finished boat out the door from EACH line (5 boats a day!). Not sure who, if anyone, still makes boats like this today. BTW-- we've always referred to the 25 as a Cherubini boat, not really a Cherubini-Seidelmann boat, by reason of intimate knowledge of the design process though it is not politically appropriate to explain for this web site. To my eye and design expertise level I don't see much resemblance to the H25 in Seidelmann's own range of boats in the late '70s except for the fact that they're fibreglass and they have masts and bottom paint (sometimes). JC 2 Cherubini Art & Nautical Design Org. Burlington NJ jcomet@aol.com
How many H25s?
Thanks for taking the time to reply, JC II. I didn't realize there was ever a flush-deck model, or that there were four H-25 models. How many of each type were built? Where can I see pictures of each type? Are the flush decks similar to Columbia 26 bubble tops in appearance? My '83 eight-window is sail number 750, I think-- not sure, since I haven't sailed her yet. My wife, 9 year old daughter and I have been spending weekends on her just to figure out what we need to be comfortable and where to stow it all to keep her in proper trim. I've been doing infrastructure stuff: replacing one small battery and manual charger with two large batteries and automatic charger, shopping for new engine & mount, etc. Just got a $500 Lewmar Ocean 60 model hatch to install when the weather clears and I have eight Lewmar opening ports on the way. I guess I've gotten spoiled by the Catalina 25/250 site with all the model histories, tech tips, and active threads about specific models. Aren't there enough of us H25 owners out there to support an active forum just for us?
Thanks for taking the time to reply, JC II. I didn't realize there was ever a flush-deck model, or that there were four H-25 models. How many of each type were built? Where can I see pictures of each type? Are the flush decks similar to Columbia 26 bubble tops in appearance? My '83 eight-window is sail number 750, I think-- not sure, since I haven't sailed her yet. My wife, 9 year old daughter and I have been spending weekends on her just to figure out what we need to be comfortable and where to stow it all to keep her in proper trim. I've been doing infrastructure stuff: replacing one small battery and manual charger with two large batteries and automatic charger, shopping for new engine & mount, etc. Just got a $500 Lewmar Ocean 60 model hatch to install when the weather clears and I have eight Lewmar opening ports on the way. I guess I've gotten spoiled by the Catalina 25/250 site with all the model histories, tech tips, and active threads about specific models. Aren't there enough of us H25 owners out there to support an active forum just for us?
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