Brand New Sailor and First-Time Catalina Owner... Help Needed

jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
24,671
CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
Can I replace the lower sheaves and the upper ones with the mast up?
You can, but why? Do you like the adventure of going up and down the mast? You have to change halyards to work on the next sheave. Hanging in the harness til your legs go numb :yikes:

With the mast down, you can resolve all the issues at once. No falling tools putting a dent in your deck.

I recently had a professional marine worker on my boat to install my radar dome. He climbed the mast to the spreaders. Tool belt attached. Everything went smoothly as silk until he started to climb down. His tool bag got hung up as he was navigating the spreaders. Rather than climb back up and clear the spreader, he released the safety line on the tool bag. Seeing his actions, I cleared out of the way, and the tool bag fell. No damage to the deck, but his $300 socket wrench leaped out of the bag, bounced on the deck, then dove into the water.

Working on your mast in the yard has its benefits.
 
Feb 3, 2026
18
Catalina 1984 catalina 30 Mark 1 Sausalito
You can, but why? Do you like the adventure of going up and down the mast? You have to change halyards to work on the next sheave. Hanging in the harness til your legs go numb :yikes:

With the mast down, you can resolve all the issues at once. No falling tools putting a dent in your deck.

I recently had a professional marine worker on my boat to install my radar dome. He climbed the mast to the spreaders. Tool belt attached. Everything went smoothly as silk until he started to climb down. His tool bag got hung up as he was navigating the spreaders. Rather than climb back up and clear the spreader, he released the safety line on the tool bag. Seeing his actions, I cleared out of the way, and the tool bag fell. No damage to the deck, but his $300 socket wrench leaped out of the bag, bounced on the deck, then dove into the water.

Working on your mast in the yard has its benefits.
Because I'm being quoted 3 grand to drop the mast, and all the local yards don't let you do your own work, so between pulling the mast and replacing the items on the mast, they are quoting me close to 8 grand, which seems like robbery. The cheapest quote I found was 5 grand.
 

jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
24,671
CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
That is a problem.
You do not need to put the boat on the hard to do a mast.
 
Feb 3, 2026
18
Catalina 1984 catalina 30 Mark 1 Sausalito
That is a problem.
You do not need to put the boat on the hard to do a mast.
That's not even putting the boat on the hard that's just mast removal and leaving the boat in the water and just taking it back to my slip
 
Apr 25, 2024
828
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I had to replace the masthead sheaves on my old Catalina 27. They had been "sticky" for a while and, one day, the mainsail just wouldn't come down. So, I had to ascend the mast on the jib halyard to see what the problem was. There was a fair amount of swell, that day, so I wasn't able to get a clear look, but I was able pull down on the main and get it to come down.

To replace them, we decided to drop the mast ourselves. This went OK-ish. No one died and we didn't break anything. But, both sheaves were pretty badly corroded - enough that I am really lucky that I was able to ascend the mast without incident. Made me skittish about ascending masts, in general, though.

I don't recall why, but for some reason I needed to access the masthead again. Seems like I realized that I had done something wrong and needed to correct it. I don't remember. But, I didn't want to drop the mast again - it was enough of a hassle. The boatyard had a great solution, though. We just pulled the boat into the haulout slip, then came out on an articulating boom and brought it right up to the mast. The operator went up with me (probably for insurance), but I did the work. I think it costed me something like $150 - money well spent.

For a few reasons, boatyards are becoming increasingly expensive. But, $3000 USD is steep - you are right about that. But, if that involves a rigger restepping and tuning the mast, then that's probably about right. An additional $2000-$5000 to replace the sheaves is crazy town.

I would push back about the DIY issue. It isn't uncommon for boatyards to restrict what you can and can't do - like painting and sanding - often due to environmental issues. And, they often restrict who you can bring in to work on your boat. I think this has to do with insurance and limiting competition.

But, for that kind of work, it makes no sense. If the mast is down, you should be able to work on your own mast.

I would frame the questions like this:

"If I were in your boatyard, on the hard, would I be allowed to replace my own lower sheaves or, say, a cleat on the mast? What about a piece of deck hardware?" (This establishes if there is a policy that prevents owners from doing any hardware replacement on boatyard property.)

"If we removed the mast and I took it home, and came back with another mast, would you install that mast?" (This establishes that they remove and install masts as a standalone service.)

If they will remove and install masts as a standalone service, and they do not have a blanket policy against DIY hardware replacement on their property, then this makes no sense. You are simply paying them for that service and doing something which is otherwise allowed.

Of course, $3000 just for that service isn't nothing.
 
Sep 24, 2018
4,626
Catalina 30 MKIII Chicago
  • The C30's dont have a step that allows for DIY stepping unfortunately (the mast is shockingly heavy as well)
  • Your sheaves have less impact on halyard resistance than your mast track. You will benefit greatly from a GOOD cleaning of it. Expect to spend a few hours with multiple passes the first time. Second year will be easier and it'll be a breeze each season after that. On year three, it took me 30 minutes on a 30' mast. My preferred method was WD40 Dry Lube with a Magic Eraser. The dry lube has a solvent in it so it acts like a cleaner/lubricant. My last boat had a bare aluminum mast. My '94 C30 has a painted one so that might change my process. New slides help as well. They get dirty after going up and down a few times. Estimate 20-30 minutes to remove, clean and re-install them while they are attached to the sail.
  • On my mast all four halyards run through the masthead. I think you might have clearance to get one pair of sheaves out but I wouldnt try it. You'd have to go up the mast to figure out if it's possible, you'd have to tie yourself off the the opposite side (you'll be putting a lot of your energy towards keeping yourself in place instead of the task at hand) and there is a very high likely hood of dropping the sheave inside the mast. Remember, your halyard will be in the way and it will be pulling down on your sheave. I think I replaced one with the mast head installed when the mast was down but I believe for the second one, I removed the head. I would not attempt to remove a sheave with the masthead on, even if the mast is on the ground.
We just pulled the boat into the haulout slip, then came out on an articulating boom and brought it right up to the mast.
This is what most yards around here do as part of the stepping process to safely install masthead instruments or resolve issues. I think the uppers have to be removed to take off the mast head but I could be wrong. Regardless, the lowers will keep the mast standing