Bottom Painting other questions

[Mike in Maine]

Hi all , new Oday 222 owner here with a few questions . One is in regad to painting the bottom while on the trailer. How do I paint under the rollers?? How do I drop the centerboard while on the trailer to paint it as well??? I tried releasing the winch and pushing the boat back off the triler 6 inches or so and it was a no go. finally what is the easiest way to deck step the Mast?? Once I sort this out I can Launch.

Mike Manfra
Portland, ME

 

[estopa]

Most folks have to put the boat on blocks or do what you did by moving it back a bit. Its definitely a pain in the butt. I was lucky to have a trailer from a 22 catalina that was used for a fin keel so I was able to put the boat on that to repair my centerboard last year.

Topic here - http://forums.oday.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?t=124221

The easiest is to get another guy to help you out. Get a ladder and stand it on the stern with the mast on top of it. Make sure you have the pin in the mast tabarnacle then both of you start from the cockpit and walk the mast up to its place. Then put the forstay pin in to secure the mast. All the while you have to ensure all rigging is free from any obstructions. After 2 seasons now its become a 30mins type of job. Mostly just prepping for the rigging to ensure it doesn't snag or come off the mast. Do a search here. Some folks have built self lifting mechanisms so only one person can do the mast raising.

 

[Joe11688]

Hi all , new Oday 222 owner here with a few questions . One is in regard to painting the bottom while on the trailer. How do I paint under the rollers?? How do I drop the centerboard while on the trailer to paint it as well??? I tried releasing the winch and pushing the boat back off the triler 6 inches or so and it was a no go. finally what is the easiest way to deck step the Mast?? Once I sort this out I can Launch.

Mike Manfra
Portland, ME

Mike,
Do you have any access to sailboat stands? I generally take my 222 off my trailer every year and put it on stands. I remove as much weight as I can before I do this. It's very dangerous. I've never painted the bottom of my boat on the trailer, but if the boat can be raised high enough off the trailer bunks with four sailboat stands, two on each side of the stern, and a jack under the bow close to the front of the keel, I suppose that it can be done. Like I said, it's dangerous. Once the boat is high enough off the trailer, you could shore up under the keel with blocks and let the jack off. The block shoring needs to be set up more forward of the centerline of the keel or the boat will pitch pole and you don't want that.

As far as raising the mast goes: The mast can go up from the stern. You would need to use something to hold the mast up near the stern to keep it off the companionway hatch. I built a mast crutch for this purpose. The stays need to be all connected first before raising the mast, except the fore stay with can be bungeed to the mast within easy reach. The boat needs to be completely level, and the wind needs to be coming directly from the stern. These two things are very important.
Get the mast set in the crutch as high as possible within reach by straddling the cockpit seats and pit the tabernacle. The stay should all be connected with not kinks or twists.
When I used to raise my mast years ago, I made up a 3/8"X 60' three strand nylon line with an eye splice on one end. I took a single sheave block and connected it to the aft most hole on the bow stem chain plate and ran the line through the block. I then attached the eye splice of this line to my Jib halyard shackle and hoisted it up the mast and cleated it off down below on the mast. Then while standing on the closed companionway hatch, I lifted the mast by hand while holding on to the line. Raise the mast very slow and make sure that the stays do not get snagged, twisted or tangled. Once the mast is up you can pull on the line and it will keep it from falling back. All your stays should be holding the mast from going over sideways.
I used to take the line around the mast, over the gooseneck fitting and pull as much slack out as I could and tie it off at the Starboard bow cleat. Then I could connect my fore stay.
Just keep in mind that the mast has nothing to keep it from going over the side while you're raising it up. The stays will only get tight when the mast is up. That's about it.
Joe

 

[Mike in Maine]

Thanks Joe!!! I appreciate your advice.

Mike

 

[Joe11688]

Thanks Joe!!! I appreciate your advice.

Mike

My pleasure Mike. In regard to getting the boat off your trailer to get at the under side of the keel and centerboard; It's fairly easy with a complete roller trailer with keel rollers provided you can support the stern and keep the boat from tipping with whatever type of support you choose to use, but it can be extremely dangerous.

My boat came with a single axle Load-Rite roller trailer and I used to get the trailer out from under the boat by roping off the stern of the boat and using four sailboat stands on the stern. I also used wood blocks, a hydraulic jack, and a block & tackle set up between the stern rope which I had anchored to something solid, and the stern of the boat. The boat need to be made as light in weight as possible before doing this.

I'd pull the trailer out from under the hull with my truck ever so slowly getting out and checking my progress until the keel was passed the back of the trailer. Then I'd jack up the bow a little and shore up under the keel with blocks. The trailer could then be pulled out.

I could then move a SB stand on each side of the boat toward the bow.
Sailboat stands aren't made to raise boats but mine will. As I raise the poppits on the stands evenly, I also use the shoring blocks under the keel to shore up under the bow close to the keel, and the stern, adding more blocks from my pile as needed. I have about twenty 6X6"X 3.5' wood blocks. I take every precaution when I mess with taking my boat off my tandem bunk trailer and raising the hull. I have some 4x4"x 3.5' blocks which I had cut diagonally and made wooden wedges out of them to fill in those small gaps. I also have a straight powerboat stand that I use to support the bow of my boat. This stand can also be used to raise my boat. Like I said Mike,--it's dangerous.
The ideal scenario is to use a beam under the bow or a gantry or gallows to hold the bow of the boat in conjunction with whatever is used to support and stabilize the stern in order to get the trailer out from under the boat.
Getting the trailer back back under the boat was even easier as the towing vehicle was not needed. You merely winch the trailer under the hull after you get the boat lowered to where you had it before with the shoring under the keel. It helps to have a plank under the tongue roller jack so that the trailer rolls back smoothly under the boat. The trailer tongue may go up a little but it will come down as more of the boat's weight gets on to the trailer.
Good luck!
Joe

 

[David S]

Painting Bottom, raising boat off trailer

I just raised my O'day 22 on 2 railroad ties, (beams). These measure 9 x 7 inches x 9' 7" long and seem larger than the usual rail tie, probably part of a railroad turnout switch base. I put angular wood pieces on top the beams and under each side of the hull out far enough to keep the hull from tipping.
I used a auto 2.5 ton jack and some large wood blocks and some cement blocks and slowly raised each end of the beams a couple of inches and blocking
up as they got higher, until the beams where high enough to clear the trailer, then, using 2 x 4s cross braced the ends of the beams and then pull the trailer out from under with my truck.
I lowered my homemade center board for inspection and looks good after 4 years, I'll repaint it, check the wedges, screws and pivot pin and lift rope, shackle and pin look good. I have to get serious about how to get pics out of my cell phone and onto these forums, Wish me luck.

David S

 

[Joe11688]

I'm going to keep my eyes peeled for a 10' or 12' metal eye beam that I can use to support the bow of my boat. I have two stands that I can use to support it.
I think that I could make short work out of getting my boat on and off the trailer if I can support the bow and have room to get my trailer out from under the hull. My four sailboat stands could support the stern with no problem.